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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby count2infinity on Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:22 am

JS© wrote:Saw a post on facebook questioning the timing of his announcement. I'm not sure if I agree with it (this person's post), but there is some logic to it.

He's 34 and at the end of the his NBA career, averaging a point per game and sucking up whatever bench minutes he can. His season ends but the NBA season is still going on. Collins makes the announcement at what is basically the end of his career. He is technically still active and good for him for being open about his life, but is he the first truly active player to come out?


count2infinity wrote:By the way... Glenn Burke was openly gay to his teammates and team owner during his professional career.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Burke


my post got lost in the bigotry argument. he's not the first.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby MWB on Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:24 am

PensFanInDC wrote:

MWB wrote:
shafnutz05 wrote:I know plenty of people that personally disapprove of homosexuality, but are some of the kindest, most generous people I know (yes, even to the gays they allegedly hate, in your eyes).


This is where things get sketchy to me. If you disapprove of someone, are you really accepting who they are? It's almost like there's a caveat in how you view that person. In the above sentence, if you replace "homosexuality" with "blacks," doesn't that seem off? What is the difference? I'm asking because I'm really trying to figure out how it would be different.


People are not saying they disapprove of someone. They are saying they disagree with their lifestyle. There is a difference IMO.



Yes, there is a difference between disagree and disapprove. Disapprove is what shaf said though.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby MWB on Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:30 am

John Amechi also came out, but think it was after he retired.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby redwill on Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:34 am

I read somewhere that homosexual behavior has been observed in over 200 species (and counting).

Homophobia, OTOH, has been observed in only one species.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby PensFanInDC on Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:38 am

redwill wrote:I read somewhere that homosexual behavior has been observed in over 200 species (and counting).

Homophobia, OTOH, has been observed in only one species.


Are there any phobias in any other species besides human? Is it even possible given the definition of 'phobia'?
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:39 am

I find that "homophobia has been observed in only one species" quote hilarious. As if that can be substantiated in any way.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby count2infinity on Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:40 am

Rabbits are afraid of my dog... they're bigots.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby PensFanInDC on Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:44 am

count2infinity wrote:Rabbits are afraid of my dog... they're bigots.


Anti-Doggite? Anti-Canite? Dogophobe? Caninaphobe? Dogoraphobic?
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:46 am

Are they afraid or do they just not like getting bit?
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby Gaucho on Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:49 am

Giraffes, believe it or not, are believed to have more homosexual intercourse than normal, healthy, and appropriate sex.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby canaan on Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:57 am

Gaucho wrote:Giraffes, believe it or not, are believed to have more homosexual intercourse than normal, healthy, and appropriate sex.

what unnatural lifestyle choices they've made. we should smite the loathsome giraffe while they wallow in their sin and evilness.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby Troy Loney on Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:00 pm

hell is filled with giraffes
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby Gaucho on Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:01 pm

Hell must have a high ceiling.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:02 pm

Is there a ceiling in hell? I thought it was a pit?
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby Troy Loney on Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:02 pm

Hell is a low ceiling college basement party.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:04 pm

Is hell's ceiling lower than Tyler Kennedy's ceiling?
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby canaan on Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:04 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:Is there a ceiling in hell? I thought it was a pit?

you think a place full of that many gay people would be just a pit? i'd imagine there is a spectacular vaulted ceiling with chiasso pendant lights and restoration hardware valances.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby columbia on Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:05 pm

Ab Fab.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby ExPatriatePen on Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:45 pm

His own twin brother, Jarron Collins, had no idea about his brother's orientation


Interesting
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby newarenanow on Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:45 pm

Which one of you called into the FAN and told them to stop talking about all of this gay stuff?
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby ExPatriatePen on Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:49 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:
His own twin brother, Jarron Collins, had no idea about his brother's orientation


Interesting

I also just heard that the reason he wore #98 was to honor Matthew Shepard... He should have come out earlier, but I understnd his logic as to why he didn't.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby mac5155 on Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:06 pm

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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby slappybrown on Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:12 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:
slappybrown wrote:This dude I know hates black people but it great with his kids and loves his family and gives to charities. He's still a racist.

The person in shads example is a homophobe IMO. "Disapproving" of ones intrinsic qualities is prejudice. Lets not tiptoe around it.


I just read this post. Did you actually read what I wrote? Homosexuality goes against his Christian beliefs. He doesn't "hate" gays, he doesn't demonstrate against gays, etc etc. You are equating him to someone like David Duke, which is absolutely ridiculous. Most Christians don't think gays are inferior/their brains are smaller/God made a mistake etc.

By your standard, the Pope is homophobic. By this same standard, nearly every bishop, deacon, cardinal, minister, priest, pastor, rabbi, in the world is homophobic.

Does anyone even know what the definition of homophobia is?

An extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.


"Extreme". Is a Christian that thinks homosexuality is sinful, but other than that harbors no ill will towards gay colleagues, friends, etc, an "extreme" person now? I'm sure many of you will apply the "irrational" label to religion as a whole, so there's no point going there.

I'm someone that likes to think I take a libertarian approach to these issues, and I couldn't care less if gays get married, gays get benefits, gays play sports....really, who cares? That being said, I am more than a little uncomfortable with how quickly and aggressively the scarlet letter of "HOMOPHOBIA" and "BIGOTRY" are cast. I like to think that someone who holds a particular set of religious beliefs (not hatred, mind you) is a few steps below someone that goes out and beats up "f****ts" and demonstrates outside of gay bars.

Apparently, there is no middle ground, and you either fully embrace homosexuality and accept it as "right" or you are labeled a bigoted homophobe. That makes me far more uncomfortable than any perceived bigotry.

Correct. This is in fact what I believe. Cloaking bigotry in the cloth of the church (or any religion) is still bigotry. And I'm catholic. I disagree with their position on the matter and view it as a black mark in the church.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby shafnutz05 on Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:15 pm

This is kind of what I mean by the whole "courageous" thing. What did people honestly expect was going to happen, he was going to be savaged across the country by the media and the sports world? I can't imagine he honestly thought that bad things were going to happen if he suddenly came out.

And like I said before, look at what has happened since then? He is enjoying widespread fame, goodwill, recognition, and praise. A career 3 ppg/3 rbg NBA nobody is now one of the most famous basketball players in the NBA. He'll be making the media tours for the next several months, where he will get to talk about his story, etc.

Oh yeah, and the president of the United States is praising him and talking about him now. I don't really think coming out is that "courageous", at least in his situation. If you are a nobody in a small Alabama town, that's a different story.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby columbia on Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:23 pm

As mentioned earlier (by this poster), the situation possibly helps said young person in the small Alabama town.
This isn't about him; it's about opening up opportunities for others to be themselves.
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