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34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby Firebird on Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:16 pm

http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06 ... snhp&pos=1

What's wrong with America? Minivan driving Soccer-mom mentality is spreading into schools.....let's not keep score - everyone wins!

At Enterprise High in Alabama, the valedictorians — all 34 of them — plucked names from a hat to gain coveted speaking spots during their commencement earlier this month. And at Bluffton High in Ohio, more than 10 percent of this year’s 84-member senior class carried the title “valedictorian.”


In southwestern Oregon, the Medford Mail Tribune noticed the trend locally — Ashland High has 10 valedictorians this spring, North Medford High has 10, and South Medford has its 21. The newspaper recently published an editorial with the headline “…and all the children were above average,”


At the same time, scattered students have "gamed" the system on occasion. At Pittsburgh's North Hill Senior High, school officials decided to stop ranking classmates in 2010 because some students on the advanced-placement track had turned in medical waivers to avoid physical education, music and other specialty classes. Their reason: Had those students garnered anything less than perfect grades in those non-weighted classes, that mark have would permanently reduced their GPA, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reported.
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby IanMoran on Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:34 pm

Yea, my school has always (at least since 1997 that I'm aware of but I think much longer) had a ton of valedictorians too.

Happens when your school doesn't have weighted classes. 1 of my valedictorians had just finished algebra I in his senior year lol
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby redwill on Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:37 pm

Meh. Who cares? Education is seriously overrated.

Unless you're fluent in Mandarin and can properly kowtow to our soon-to-be Chinese overlords, it's all worthless.
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby Bioshock on Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:05 pm

When i was in high school, all you needed to do well was have a body temperature somewhere roughly in the 90's.
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby ExPatriatePen on Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:18 pm

Firebird wrote:At Pittsburgh's North Hill Senior High...


'Nuff said. :)

(But I might be a bit biased)

ExPat, graduate of N.A. class of '75

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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby mac5155 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:49 pm

Pretty sure my valedictorian is a drug addict now. And there's me, the "you have no chance at succeeding" kid. Lol
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby ExPatriatePen on Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:51 pm

mac5155 wrote:Pretty sure my valedictorian is a drug addict now. And there's me, the "you have no chance at succeeding" kid. Lol

So 0 fer 2????

J/k
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby bhaw on Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:01 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:
mac5155 wrote:Pretty sure my valedictorian is a drug addict now. And there's me, the "you have no chance at succeeding" kid. Lol

So 0 fer 2????

J/k


I think he's saying that they at least got one of the 2 right. :fist:
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby ExPatriatePen on Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:09 pm

bhaw wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:
mac5155 wrote:Pretty sure my valedictorian is a drug addict now. And there's me, the "you have no chance at succeeding" kid. Lol

So 0 fer 2????

J/k


I think he's saying that they at least got one of the 2 right. :fist:


Yeah, what was I thinking? That's what I meant. DOH!
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby mac5155 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:35 pm

Hey!
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby Sam's Drunk Dog on Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:48 pm

Education communism
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby count2infinity on Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:13 pm

Back in my day, we only had one valedictorian.
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby Pitt87 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:57 pm

My best friend was not valedictorian because he took band, a non-weighted class, instead of a study hall.

The valedictorian now sells insurance. my buddy developed electric fuel cells for GM and is now a PhD from CMU. its pretty clearly not a difference maker, but it is obnoxious to dilute it. Competition is not a bad thing, folks.

Spoiler:
to drive the "it doesnt matter" point, I was in the third quartile of my HS class and have a masters with honors and run delivery & consulting for my company, so who knows...
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:01 am

I don't know who our valedictorian was, i'm guessing no one cared at the time aside from their parents though.
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby DelPen on Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:12 am

Our school system banned them the year I graduated so we didn't have one. Success For Every Student you know...
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby tifosi77 on Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:22 am

I think my valedictorian still holds some school records at U-Conn for 3-point shooting and assists, or something like that. (She was on the '95 national championship team)
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby Fire0nice228 on Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:56 pm

This everybody wins crap is ruining America.

My future kid will lose with dignity (and the occasional smashed hockey stick)
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby redwill on Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:09 am

It would be interesting to have a course (maybe a college course) where only one person gets an A.

Say there are fifty students in such a course. The instructor makes clear from the beginning that only the very best student gets an A.

Maybe only one student gets an A and everyone else fails. Or maybe one student gets an A, one student gets a B, one student gets a C, one student gets a D ... and all the rest fail ...

Would this not force all of the students to strive their utmost to be the best and therefore everyone succeeds in the ultimate educational goal? It would be a cool practical implementation of the "Invisible Hand" argument.

Or is it not "fair"?
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby Puffymuffin on Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:53 am

Fire0nice228 wrote:This everybody wins crap is ruining America.


They want their kid to win, that's what's the problem. Holding your kid out of classes is going to help in what way?
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:45 am

redwill wrote:It would be interesting to have a course (maybe a college course) where only one person gets an A.

Say there are fifty students in such a course. The instructor makes clear from the beginning that only the very best student gets an A.

Maybe only one student gets an A and everyone else fails. Or maybe one student gets an A, one student gets a B, one student gets a C, one student gets a D ... and all the rest fail ...

Would this not force all of the students to strive their utmost to be the best and therefore everyone succeeds in the ultimate educational goal? It would be a cool practical implementation of the "Invisible Hand" argument.

Or is it not "fair"?


This is hyperbole, right? If 20 students do everything asked of them and demonstrate an absolute understanding of the material, only 20% of them pass the class and 2 of them that pass it are still screwed by it?
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby redwill on Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:47 am

Idoit40fans wrote:This is hyperbole, right? If 20 students do everything asked of them and demonstrate an absolute understanding of the material, only 20% of them pass the class and 2 of them that pass it are still screwed by it?


Maybe it's hyperbole. Nothing wrong with that in an experiment. The point I was trying to make is that some are outraged that there are 34 valedictorians, yet the students presumably did "everything asked of them." Maybe the standards are incredibly low, but no reason to "screw" the students.

The broader idea I had in mind was about capitalist economic theory: The idea is that if everyone strives hard to beat everyone else, then everyone ultimately wins and society is lifted as if by an invisible hand. If that theory holds water, why not try it in the educational arena? Sure, many students will fail in a letter-grade-sense, but they will all ultimately be much better off in the education-sense. Isn't that the point?
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:06 am

Yeah they'll be much better off when they repeat the same grade year after year and without a high school diploma can't get an above minimum wage job because they don't have it.
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby redwill on Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:18 am

Maybe it's part of the problem that people are too caught up in grades = jobs.
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby pfim on Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:33 am

I couldn't tell you who my high school valedictorian was. I'm sure someone spoke at my graduation but I don't have the foggiest idea.
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Re: 34 valedictorians?!!? 1 School

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:34 am

redwill wrote:Maybe it's part of the problem that people are too caught up in grades = jobs.


Why is that a problem. Oh, you can put effort into doing something you don't want to do. Sounds like you'll actually do the job i'm considering giving you.
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