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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby Gaucho on Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:32 pm

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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby Shyster on Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:02 pm

I don’t read comic books. I do, however, follow dozens of Japanese manga series. American comics are all about the “super heroes,” and most of them are limited to characters that have been in existence for something like 50 years or more. Even when you do get a really creative artist or writer, that person is usually tasked with teaching a very old dog (like Batman or Superman) new tricks. While there are certainly common tropes in manga (like series dealing with fighting robots), I think there is much more variety and creativity in manga than in comics. Some of my favorites are ones that I don’t think would ever make it in the United States.

For example, Silver Spoon (from Arakawa Hiromu, the female mangaka who also created Fullmetal Alchemist) depicts the school life of Hachiken Yugo, a student from Sapporo who enrolled in an agricultural high school in order to get away from his strict father:
http://www.batoto.net/comic/_/comics/silver-spoon-r496

Otoyomegatari by Mori Kaoru loosely revolves around the life of Amira, a 20-year-old woman in 19th-century central Asia (I would guess what is now Uzbekistan) and her new husband Karluk, who is eight years younger than she is:
(Warning: rare NSFW images)
http://www.batoto.net/comic/_/comics/ot ... tari-r3409

I can’t imagine DC or Marvel publishing a comic about livestock farming or daily life in historical Asia.
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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby pittsoccer33 on Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:58 am

http://www.pbs.org/superheroes

I came home from work yesterday and saw that my DVR had picked up a keyword and recorded all three hours of it. I'm really glad it did - it was really interesting. Basically just about the super hero/comic book industry and how it reflected popular culture for the last 75 years.
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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby Gaucho on Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:40 am

Shyster wrote:I think there is much more variety and creativity in manga than in comics.


That's a little like saying popular music sucks when all you ever listen to is public radio. :wink:

Did you read Lone Wolf and Cub?
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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:00 am

Wait...isn't popular music, by definition, the music that is on public radio?
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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby eddysnake on Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:00 am

Gaucho wrote:
Shyster wrote:I think there is much more variety and creativity in manga than in comics.


That's a little like saying popular music sucks when all you ever listen to is public radio. :wink:

Did you read Lone Wolf and Cub?


did they make those into movies? For some reason I think I have them at home, but never watched...
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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby Gaucho on Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:05 am

eddysnake wrote:
Gaucho wrote:
Shyster wrote:I think there is much more variety and creativity in manga than in comics.


That's a little like saying popular music sucks when all you ever listen to is public radio. :wink:

Did you read Lone Wolf and Cub?


did they make those into movies? For some reason I think I have them at home, but never watched...


Yes. I've never seen the movies, but the mangas are very good. It was written by Kazuo Koike, who also wrote Crying Freeman and Lady Snowblood. Lone Wolf and Cub is about a disgraced Samurai turned assassin in the Edo period. Great stuff. And tons of violence.
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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby Shyster on Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:49 pm

Gaucho wrote:
Shyster wrote:I think there is much more variety and creativity in manga than in comics.


That's a little like saying popular music sucks when all you ever listen to is public radio. :wink:

Did you read Lone Wolf and Cub?

I'm certainly aware of it, but I've never read it. The run of that manga was massive; I think it was more than 20 volumes.
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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby Shyster on Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:59 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:Wait...isn't popular music, by definition, the music that is on public radio?

I'm missing the comparison of manga to public radio. Please be assured that I also read plenty of trashy, low-quality manga, and there is plenty to read. For example, go to Batoto and look up Prison School, which seems to exist in order for the mangaka explore the dividing line between manga and porn.
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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby Gaucho on Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:10 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:Wait...isn't popular music, by definition, the music that is on public radio?


My definition of popular music may be different from yours. It's pretty much everything that's not classical or jazz.
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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby Gaucho on Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:12 pm

Shyster wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:Wait...isn't popular music, by definition, the music that is on public radio?

I'm missing the comparison of manga to public radio. Please be assured that I also read plenty of trashy, low-quality manga, and there is plenty to read. For example, go to Batoto and look up Prison School, which seems to exist in order for the mangaka explore the dividing line between manga and porn.


What about non-superhero comics? Underground comics? European *gasp* comics? South American comics?
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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby Shyster on Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:11 pm

Gaucho wrote:
Shyster wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:Wait...isn't popular music, by definition, the music that is on public radio?

I'm missing the comparison of manga to public radio. Please be assured that I also read plenty of trashy, low-quality manga, and there is plenty to read. For example, go to Batoto and look up Prison School, which seems to exist in order for the mangaka explore the dividing line between manga and porn.

What about non-superhero comics? Underground comics? European *gasp* comics? South American comics?

Or Japanese comics? Oh, wait... :wink:

I'm sorry; I was a little confused by your analogy. And I think I should have clarified that my statement applied to the main DC/Marvel superhero comics, which are indeed the pop music of the comics world. That doesn't mean that everything else is bad. I had a subscription to Heavy Metal magazine for years, so I certainly got some exposure to Euro comics. For example, one of my favorites was the "Gipsy" series by Enrico Marini and Thierry Smolderen, which Heavy Metal ran in multiple issues from 1995 to 2004.

In fact, I'm sitting here thinking why I no longer have a subscription to Heavy Metal. I think my subscription was up around the same time I moved, and I never got around to renewing. I believe I will have to correct that.
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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby Gaucho on Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:33 pm

Shyster wrote:
Gaucho wrote:
Shyster wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:Wait...isn't popular music, by definition, the music that is on public radio?

I'm missing the comparison of manga to public radio. Please be assured that I also read plenty of trashy, low-quality manga, and there is plenty to read. For example, go to Batoto and look up Prison School, which seems to exist in order for the mangaka explore the dividing line between manga and porn.

What about non-superhero comics? Underground comics? European *gasp* comics? South American comics?

Or Japanese comics? Oh, wait... :wink:

I'm sorry; I was a little confused by your analogy. And I think I should have clarified that my statement applied to the main DC/Marvel superhero comics, which are indeed the pop music of the comics world. That doesn't mean that everything else is bad. I had a subscription to Heavy Metal magazine for years, so I certainly got some exposure to Euro comics. For example, one of my favorites was the "Gipsy" series by Enrico Marini and Thierry Smolderen, which Heavy Metal ran in multiple issues from 1995 to 2004.

In fact, I'm sitting here thinking why I no longer have a subscription to Heavy Metal. I think my subscription was up around the same time I moved, and I never got around to renewing. I believe I will have to correct that.


Heavy Metal was published in the USA? I had no idea. Yeah, I figured that maybe you were referring only to DC/Marvel. Not that there's anything wrong with DC/Marvel.

Lone Wolf and Cub was 29 volumes, but they really are worth it.
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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby Shyster on Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:39 am

Gaucho wrote:Heavy Metal was published in the USA? I had no idea. Yeah, I figured that maybe you were referring only to DC/Marvel. Not that there's anything wrong with DC/Marvel.

It may not be the same Heavy Metal you're thinking of. IIRC, the American Heavy Metal is based on a French Magazine with the same or a similar name (something like Metal Hurlant, I think). Back in the 70s, the eventual publisher was in France for business, where he picked up a copy of the French version, and he liked it so much that he got them to license him the concept so he could found an American version. They are two separate magazines, although I understand they have published a lot of the same stuff over the years (with different translations, obviously).
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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby Gaucho on Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:48 am

Shyster wrote:
Gaucho wrote:Heavy Metal was published in the USA? I had no idea. Yeah, I figured that maybe you were referring only to DC/Marvel. Not that there's anything wrong with DC/Marvel.

It may not be the same Heavy Metal you're thinking of. IIRC, the American Heavy Metal is based on a French Magazine with the same or a similar name (something like Metal Hurlant, I think). Back in the 70s, the eventual publisher was in France for business, where he picked up a copy of the French version, and he liked it so much that he got them to license him the concept so he could found an American version. They are two separate magazines, although I understand they have published a lot of the same stuff over the years (with different translations, obviously).


Métal Hurlant is what I was thinking of, yes. Moebius, Bilal, Manara, stuff like that.
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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby viva la ben on Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:50 am

In high school I was a fan of Dark Horse comics, Flaming Carrot and the Aliens series.
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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby Shyster on Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:26 am

Gaucho wrote:Métal Hurlant is what I was thinking of, yes. Moebius, Bilal, Manara, stuff like that.

All of them were mainstays of the American version, too.
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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby PensHckyFan79 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:05 pm

figured I would post this here. So my friend gave me some comics in digital form and I was wondering if there is a way to read them on my Kindle Fire HD. How its set up is each folder has a comic and then like 20 or so pictures. My laptop is a little small for this and I have to mess with rotating the image and zooming in and stuff, didn't know someone has some thoughts on this.

Thanks!
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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby pittsoccer33 on Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:00 pm

Does anyone know of a good "history of Marvel comics" encyclopedia type book? something that goes over character backstories and major storylines.

also looking for a good coffee table book of comic art.

i was hoping to walk down to Eides at lunchtime but its a bit too rainy.
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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby Gaucho on Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:30 pm

pittsoccer33 wrote:Does anyone know of a good "history of Marvel comics" encyclopedia type book? something that goes over character backstories and major storylines.

also looking for a good coffee table book of comic art.

i was hoping to walk down to Eides at lunchtime but its a bit too rainy.


Paul Levitz did some nice looking and affordable books on DC's Golden, Silver, and Bronze Ages. I'm not aware of similar books on Marvel comics.
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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby Letang Is The Truth on Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:34 pm

i had this in my office for a while til someone ganked it

http://www.amazon.com/Marvel-Encycloped ... el+almanac
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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby canaan on Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:05 pm

I guess they announced that they are going ahead with a Locke & Key movie series. I hope its done right
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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby columbia on Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:08 pm

I'm assuming this hasn't been discussed here, but Pittsburgh's Ed Piskor has done an excellent job with his Hip Hop Family Tree comic:
http://www.fantagraphics.com/browse-sho ... l?vmcchk=1

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Re: Comic Book Discussion

Postby Gaucho on Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:38 am

Yes, he did. Great stuff.
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