A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Mr. Colby on Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:46 pm

count2infinity wrote:
Mr. Colby wrote:Elliot and Gretchen will NOT be in the finale... there's no need for them, they've served their purpose already


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Great use of them... can't believe nobody predicted that.

Not in the episode in the way the rest of you thought they would be, so we're all wrong!
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby JeffDFD on Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:48 pm

Good stuff...of course Walt was going to die...we knew that from episode 1. Jesse is free, that is all you need to know - it is the first time ever he has been free...from drugs, walt, nazis, etc. Fitting ending for him too.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Mr. Colby on Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:51 pm

I took Jesse not killing Walt to be a sort of turning point for Jesse... he is finally free and he doesn't want another murder on his conscience

The point where the last Nazi was gone signified a new world for Jesse and he didn't want to start it out with a kill
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby JeffDFD on Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:53 pm

Mr. Colby wrote:I took Jesse not killing Walt to be a sort of turning point for Jesse... he is finally free and he doesn't want another murder on his conscience

The point where the last Nazi was gone signified a new world for Jesse and he didn't want to start it out with a kill


No more influence from Walt...he made his own decision
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Mr. Colby on Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:53 pm

The overall ending was decently predictable - Walt kills all the Nazis with the M60 and sets Jesse free... but we had no idea how Walt would die and at the hand of whom, nor did we know if Jesse would survive, nor did we know who the ricin was for.

That was a perfect ending and all the people that deserved to die died and all the people that deserved to live lived
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Mr. Colby on Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:54 pm

JeffDFD wrote:
Mr. Colby wrote:I took Jesse not killing Walt to be a sort of turning point for Jesse... he is finally free and he doesn't want another murder on his conscience

The point where the last Nazi was gone signified a new world for Jesse and he didn't want to start it out with a kill


No more influence from Walt...he made his own decision


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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Daniel87 on Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:32 pm

Mr. Colby wrote:
count2infinity wrote:
Mr. Colby wrote:Elliot and Gretchen will NOT be in the finale... there's no need for them, they've served their purpose already


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Great use of them... can't believe nobody predicted that.

Not in the episode in the way the rest of you thought they would be, so we're all wrong!

I read the theory online that Walt would threaten Gretchen and Elliot to give his family his money. I was convinced that would happen, but I certainly can't claim that idea for myself. Skinny Pete and badger making an appearance was a great surprise.

Overall, the finale was mostly predictable, but it ended how it should've. They've surprised us time and time gain. The last episode should be dedicated to giving the characters a fitting ending.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby tifosi77 on Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:11 am

While Walt didn't intentionally die by his own hand, there was a certain poetic justice to his demise. And Jesse realizing Walt was hit and refusing to murder him further underscored his role as the moral compass. I felt that the finale was much less intense than I expected, but it still paid off all the storylines without really leaving any loose ends.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby dman66 on Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:42 am

I was very pleased with the ending. Glad Todd got his and glad Jesse can now do whatever he wants to.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby shmenguin on Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:54 am

dman66 wrote:I was very pleased with the ending. Glad Todd got his and glad Jesse can now do whatever he wants to.


That's the thing though...he can't do anything really. He has no money, no connections and he's almost certainly a fugitive. Jesse is basically driving that car right to jail.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby blurryhaze312 on Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:10 am

And for all we know, with as short of a window there was between when he sped off and when the cops showed up, he was already caught.

He could have driven in a different direction, but capture is at least possible.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:44 am

Jesse probably drove somewhere to set up a new meth lab. :pop:
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby itissteeltime on Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:49 am

Also, what was the significance of the timing of showing Jesse making his box. I remember at therapy when he was talking about that box he loved so much, why did we get to see that box at this point?
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby count2infinity on Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:53 am

itissteeltime wrote:Also, what was the significance of the timing of showing Jesse making his box. I remember at therapy when he was talking about that box he loved so much, why did we get to see that box at this point?


I think it just shows that Jesse isn't FULLY broken just yet. It was likely one of the only things in school he took seriously and worked hard at and enjoyed doing. He still remembers the good times and possibly still has hope that one day he can return to good times. Or maybe he was just day dreaming. Who knows.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby shmenguin on Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:53 am

itissteeltime wrote:Also, what was the significance of the timing of showing Jesse making his box. I remember at therapy when he was talking about that box he loved so much, why did we get to see that box at this point?


High point in his life vs. low point?
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby count2infinity on Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:56 am

Btw, I just want to say that my one previous post... I enjoyed the finale. But in comparison to all the previous episodes, I was RELATIVELY disappointed in this episode. There weren't any Breaking Bad like twists and turns. It was satisfying to see everything wrapped up, and I know that with all the build up it would be very hard to do anything over the top special with this episode.

Mr. Colby, I can't remember if it was on here or a discussion on Reddit, but there were some people predicting that Walt would blackmail Gretchen and Elliot into giving money to his family. I don't think anyone suggested to threaten them with their lives like he did, but there were some predictions out there.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby shmenguin on Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:05 am

So without knowing about Jack's shenanigans with Jesse and his family, the reason Walt came back for them with the m60 was what...just to avenge Hank's death? There's a disconnect between last week's ending and this week's episode. He didn't complete any "Bad" metamorphosis or anything like we were led to believe. He just went back to atone and to fix things. That's not disappointing, story wise. But it is a bit of a continuity issue.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby count2infinity on Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:08 am

Walt finally listened to Jesse's earlier advice to kill the Nazis...

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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Kraftster on Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:21 am

shmenguin wrote:So without knowing about Jack's shenanigans with Jesse and his family, the reason Walt came back for them with the m60 was what...just to avenge Hank's death? There's a disconnect between last week's ending and this week's episode. He didn't complete any "Bad" metamorphosis or anything like we were led to believe. He just went back to atone and to fix things. That's not disappointing, story wise. But it is a bit of a continuity issue.


I agree. With that said, I have had this sort of continuity issue several times during 5B and even in the same episode at times. That sort of leads me to believe that it could be intentional and that Walt has sort of floated back and forth between worlds, not being able to settle on who he now is. I unfortunately didn't get to see most of the Season 5b portion of the marathon, so I will not be able to settle on this until I rewatch the season at some point, but I have definitely had this feeling many times.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:22 am

shmenguin wrote:So without knowing about Jack's shenanigans with Jesse and his family, the reason Walt came back for them with the m60 was what...just to avenge Hank's death? There's a disconnect between last week's ending and this week's episode. He didn't complete any "Bad" metamorphosis or anything like we were led to believe. He just went back to atone and to fix things. That's not disappointing, story wise. But it is a bit of a continuity issue.


I never understood why people were so obsessed with the idea that he was completing a transformation. He was completely about the drug empire until the second half of this season and has been out of it since. He was dragged back in and wanted to be done with it.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby itissteeltime on Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:27 am

Idoit40fans wrote:
shmenguin wrote:So without knowing about Jack's shenanigans with Jesse and his family, the reason Walt came back for them with the m60 was what...just to avenge Hank's death? There's a disconnect between last week's ending and this week's episode. He didn't complete any "Bad" metamorphosis or anything like we were led to believe. He just went back to atone and to fix things. That's not disappointing, story wise. But it is a bit of a continuity issue.


I never understood why people were so obsessed with the idea that he was completing a transformation. He was completely about the drug empire until the second half of this season and has been out of it since. He was dragged back in and wanted to be done with it.


Agreed. I think he knew his time was running short, he wasn't going to make it in that cabin for much longer. He wanted to go out on top, on his own terms, doing something right. He killed all the bad guys, saved the good guys, said good bye to his wife, got money to his family, and went out on his own terms doing something good.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:55 am

Remember he went back partially based on his giving up his legacy and work from Grey Matters. When he saw on TV them talking including the Blue Meth he assumed Jesse was in on it as well. He wasn't going to let that happen again - his legacy,his work, his creation, his money and his family's future going to someone else.

Add in the Nazis killed Hank he was going back for all those reasons, including killing himself.

It wasn't until he realized Jesse was a slave that he saved him. I thought it was fairy poetic that Jesse wouldn't kill him and really poetic with his struggles internally that in end he didn't care about the remaining money. Boom, sorry nazi I am getting what I want here, it's enough,it's over.

He was Heisenburgh now..l.and forever- this shoot out gets national attention and the blue meth is gone for good, his family gets its money or enough of it, every enemy is gone and used the fact he was dying anyways to make it happen.

Any, back and forth was of course him and the struggles with who he was. He told Skyler it was all for him. It wasn't , it actually started out for the family then he turned into something or he broke bad. But it always showed throughout His original self, that other piece still lived inside of him.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby shmenguin on Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:07 am

BurghersAndDogsSports wrote:Remember he went back partially based on his giving up his legacy and work from Grey Matters. When he saw on TV them talking including the Blue Meth he assumed Jesse was in on it as well. He wasn't going to let that happen again - his legacy,his work, his creation, his money and his family's future going to someone else.


i don't think we saw that aspect in the finale at all. this episode was mainly to make things right for everyone else - ignoring his own selfish interests. and while he got a kick out of screwing with elliot and gretchen, it was hardly the Heisenberg moment that the last episode foreshadowed. i think each writer was granted a lot of freedom to make their episodes how they wanted them to be. and while the collection of talent in that regard made this show as great as it was, i think it worked against them in this case. the last 5 episodes were all noticeably different - to an extent that it was a little distracting.

Idoit40fans wrote:I never understood why people were so obsessed with the idea that he was completing a transformation.


well vince gilligan has said about a million times that the whole point of the show was walt's transformation.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Gaucho on Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:10 am

He finally admitted/realised that he did it all for himself.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:11 am

And that happened. Nothing about the last 8 episodes suggested that was where the end was headed though.
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