A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby GSdrums87 on Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:11 am

What happened in the show: "He heads off to the pick up location. While there and waiting for his car, Jesse pulls the pack of cigarettes out of his pocket and makes the connection: Saul stole the ricin. Walt had told Jesse that Fring stole it to poison Brock. Jesse realized that once again Walt was lying."

What happened with Jesse and the cigarettes (according to a poster)
"Jesse believed that Brock took the ricin cigarette that was intended for Gus Fring. Saul/Huell took the cigarette during one meeting with Jesse. Somehow, Walt poisoned Brock with the berries from Lilly from the Valley plant and then later, placed the 'lost' cigarette in Jesse's rumba. So, Jesse saw how easy it was for his pot to being taken away without noticing and basically has a realization when he looked at his cigarettes."

http://www.hypable.com/2013/08/25/break ... e-3-recap/
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby shmenguin on Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:14 am

i thought his confrontation with saul explained everything adequately, though i was very confused before that moment.

in other news...was that van really going to relocate jesse or was he on his way to a dirt nap?
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Kraftster on Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:16 am

OK, well now its clear to me again if we are saying that Saul took the cigarette.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby shmenguin on Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:16 am

Kraftster wrote:OK, well now its clear to me again if we are saying that Saul took the cigarette.


well...saul via huel
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Kraftster on Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:16 am

shmenguin wrote:i thought his confrontation with saul explained everything adequately, though i was very confused before that moment.

in other news...was that van really going to relocate jesse or was he on his way to a dirt nap?


I had that thought too but only when I was trying to figure out what Jesse was freaking out about -- I originally thought he was thinking, oh crap I'm taking a dirt nap, but I couldn't figure out why. So, I tend to think he was actually going to be relocated.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Kraftster on Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:17 am

shmenguin wrote:
Kraftster wrote:OK, well now its clear to me again if we are saying that Saul took the cigarette.


well...saul via huel


Right. Walt via Saul via Huel.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby PensFanInDC on Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:19 am

I'm still sorta lost. I think I have the gist of it and that works enough for me. There's just been too much time between when I watched the original ricin episodes and now. I can barely remember what happened and certainly almost no details. I do remember Walt poisoning the kid with the plant in his yard but not much else. The roomba thing is very familiar. I guess the bottom line is that I understand enough to move on. I'm hopeful there will be a scene early next week between Jesse and Walt that clears some stuff up.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby GSdrums87 on Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:28 am

Jesse actually accused Walt of that exactly happening back in season 4 with a gun in Walt's face. He said specifically "you (as in Walt) had Huell lift it from me at Saul's" before Walt was able to trick him into believing it was Gus. So the leap was not huge due to the fact that Jesse already had that exact thought once before.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby DontToewsMeBro on Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:39 am

There's no way Walt would have killed Jessie. It's fairly obvious that while yes--Walt is meticulous, manipulative, and sociopathic--everything he has done was a strategic move and for Jessie's own good...I think Walter views himself as a father figure to him and has taken risks that he would normally not take to save Jessie's life on numerous occasions.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby shmenguin on Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:48 am

i suppose if saul was so intent on stealing jesse's weed as not to upset minivan dude, then jesse wasn't going to get whacked. otherwise, it wouldn't have mattered what kind of state jesse was in when he was scheduled to get picked up.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby cheesesteakwithegg on Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:51 am

I was pretty confused about the ricin thing last night, though it all came clear to me after a while. Here is an post from reddit that sums it all up pretty well...

Spoiler:
Season 4
Walt needs Jesse on his side to get to Gus
Context: If you recall, Jesse is the one who tells Walt that Gus seems to have a big hatred for Hector "Tio" Salamanca, then Walt figured out how to plant the bomb on Tio, Gus died... etc etc
So Walt forms a scheme to get Jesse to distrust Gus. Walt tells Saul to somehow extract the cigarette from Jesse. Thus Saul has Huell lift the ricin cigarette from Jesse's pocket (most likely by simply trading out the packs, dummy pack for the real one with the ricin). Context: Originally Jesse was somewhat distrustful of Gus, Walt had hatched an earlier plan to have Jesse kill Gus with the ricin. But Jesse was befriended by Gus, and he eventually came to like the guy. Also, if you remember, Saul is frantic to get Jesse to his office, calling him over and over again. It was to get him in the office to get the cigarette off him.
Jesse now has a dummy pack of cigarettes. With this in mind, Walt now makes the moves to make Jesse distrust Gus. Walt takes his "Lilly of the Valley" extract and gives it to Jesse's girlfriend's young son Brock.
Context: Vince Gilligan, the show's creator, has stated several times that the writers have imagined Walt's delivery system as perhaps a doctored juice box or something of the like. Sneaking into Brock's school to place it in his lunch or even hand it to him would've been fairly rudimentary for a teacher. "Lilly of the Valley" gives pneumonia-like symptoms that appear very severe (the same symptoms that ricin gives when killing someone). So Jesse thought that Brock was poisoned by the ricin. Jesse frantically searches in his cigarette pack only to find, ah! It's not there! (Huell took it!) Jesse bursts into Walt's home, gun in hand demanding Walt to admit that he poisoned Brock with the now missing ricin. Important to note: Jesse says that Huell must have took it when he went to meet Saul. Jesse is no idiot, he was 100% right on his instincts. Walt claims ignorance, saying he has no reason to do so and he has no idea what Jesse is talking about (lying obviously). Through Walt's machinations, he convinces Jesse that it must have been Gus, who has hurt children before (Andrea's brother who shot Combo was killed by some of Gus' lower order thugs). Jesse now doles out the details of Gus' hatred for Hector "Tio" Salamanca leading to Gus' eventual death via Walt's admittedly ingenious scheme. At the end of season 4, the doctors at the hospital tell Jesse that Brock was not poisoned with ricin, but had consumed "Lilly of the Valley" berries in some shape or fashion. Jesse, taken aback, rationalizes with Walt that even though Gus didn't do it, he "had to go," although he is clearly still rattled.

Season 5A
Walt and Jesse go on a hunt for the missing ricin cigarette (although Walt knows exactly where it's at, and we're even shown Saul throwing the ricin cigarette back to Walt in a plastic bag, making a crack about Huell's "nimble sausage fingers"). Walt is just making a facade to make Jesse think the cigarette was simply misplaced. They "find" the ricin cigarette in Jesse's electronic vacuum (although it was Walt who placed it there).
Jesse breaks down in tears, realizing he almost killed Walt over this (as aforementioned when Jesse confronted him in season 4, saying he was the one who took the cigarette and poisoned Brock). Although in reality, the bastard did deserve it.

Season 5B
This episode! Jesse is ready to move on with his life, move to Alaska, and just leave ABQ. Saul tells Jesse he can't bring pot to the meet with his "guy." The guy won't be inclined to help a druggie disappear (sensible). Jesse defiantly and silently refuses to give up his stash. Saul leaves the room to get "money bags" and while he is out there he tells Huell to pinch Jesse's stash off him (rewatch the scene, you can actually see him snatch it from Jesse!).
Jesse is waiting at the stop, he searches his pockets, at first just simply realizing the pot isn't there. But he looks at his pack of cigarettes and realizes, holy ****, Huell took my pot just now... and they took the ricin just as I had originally thought. Walt has been **** me ever since.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby shmenguin on Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:18 am

quick tangent...i don't think breaking bad will have quite enough oomph to displace "the wire" as the finest television show of all time, but i gotta say...with how amazing this final season has been and how much of a turd the final season of the wire was (relatively speaking), i can see it becoming a really, really close race.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby cheesesteakwithegg on Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:28 am

Going back to the opening scene last night in the diner, when the guy wiped the blood off of his boot, he flushed the bloody paper towel down the toilet. Not sure if anyone else picked up on this, but the camera cut away before it was totally flushed. Are the writers doing that to make you suspicious, or did the towel not actually make it all the way down and float back up (which can easily happen with a toilet). The waitress seemed weirded out by Todd and company, so perhaps this comes into play later on if someone from the diner finds the bloody towel.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Staggy on Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:31 am

Another good recap of the ricin situation for anyone still confused:

Spoiler:
4-12 - "End Times"
Jesse, upon receiving a bunch of calls from Saul, goes to his office to discover **** has hit the fan with Walt and Gus and Saul is leaving town. When he arrives, Huell pats him down ostensibly for weapons. During this pat down, he removes the back of cigarettes with the ricin inside and switches it out for another pack.

Later that episode, he steps out to smoke at the hospital and notices the ricin cigarette is gone. He panics, goes to Walt, accuses him of poisoning Brock. Walt vehemently denies and even holds Jesse's gun to his own head. Walt convinces Jesse to help him kill Gus.

4-13 - "Face Off"
Jesse suggests ricin to Andrea, who tells the doctors. Doctors call the cops, Jesse gets hauled in for questioning. Turns out to not be ricin after all, but Lily of the Valley. Episode ends with a close up of the plant in Walt's backyard, obviously identifying Walt as the poisoner

Somewhere between season 4 and 5, Vince Gilligan in an interview or podcast says Walt slipped Brock the poison via a juice box at his school.

5-1 - "Live Free Or Die"
Saul returns the ricin cigarette to Walt while confirming Huell lifted it; he says it's a wonder he didn't break it open with his "hot dog fingers." Walt removes the ricin capsule and hides it behind an outlet cover in his bedroom (where it will stay until the teaser for 5-9).

5-2 - "Madrigal"
Jesse is stressing about losing the cigarette, so Walt makes a duplicate using salt in place of the poison and plants it in Jesse's Roomba under the guise of helping him look for it around his house. Jesse finds it and breaks down crying and apologizing for suspecting Walt, and Walt flushes the duplicate.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby MWB on Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:26 pm

cheesesteakwithegg wrote:Going back to the opening scene last night in the diner, when the guy wiped the blood off of his boot, he flushed the bloody paper towel down the toilet. Not sure if anyone else picked up on this, but the camera cut away before it was totally flushed. Are the writers doing that to make you suspicious, or did the towel not actually make it all the way down and float back up (which can easily happen with a toilet). The waitress seemed weirded out by Todd and company, so perhaps this comes into play later on if someone from the diner finds the bloody towel.


I wondered the same thing. Then I thought it would be too much of a stretch for that to come into play, but who knows.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby MWB on Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:32 pm

DontToewsMeBro wrote:There's no way Walt would have killed Jessie. It's fairly obvious that while yes--Walt is meticulous, manipulative, and sociopathic--everything he has done was a strategic move and for Jessie's own good...I think Walter views himself as a father figure to him and has taken risks that he would normally not take to save Jessie's life on numerous occasions.


This is my thought as well, although I'm wondering what's going to happen now. Obviously something happens to keep Jesse from torching the White residence, but he has had enough of Walt. Does he try to take out Walt's family, just like Walt tried to take out Jesse's would-be family? Or is he not ruthless enough for that and would only go for Walt. For him to go after Walt's family I think he'd have to have gone completely off the deep end. For Walt, if it comes down to Jesse versus Walt Jr, he's going to take out Jesse.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Daniel87 on Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:18 pm

Jesse wouldn't kill Walt's family. I think it'd be hilarious if Walt jr. walked in on Jesse gassing his house.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby dman66 on Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:04 pm

Last night was just magnificent. From the dinner between the White's and the Shrader's to the end, it was just an incredible episode. I agree with others about the Jesse scene, it was confusing. I figured Jesse couldn't find the phone and freaked, thinking he was going to die, but it all came together when he started to beat down Saul. Seriously thought Jesse was going to kill Saul there...
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby shmenguin on Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:06 pm

Vince gilligan wants a Saul spin off to happen. I think he'll survive the next five episodes.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Daniel87 on Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:36 pm

Unless it's all a cover and Saul is going to die. I doubt he dies, but I doubt a spinoff happens either.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby shmenguin on Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:41 pm

I don't think gilligan is that savvy. For a guy who created such a masterpiece, he comes off as kind of a rube.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Daniel87 on Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:10 pm

It could be a prequel. I almost think that would be more interesting. I'd hate for the spinoff to dilute the breaking bad legacy in any way, but it would be awesome to see. Plus I trust Vince Gilligan.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:51 pm

I never really thought Jesse thought he would be killed. They would have just done that in the earlier scene out in the middle of knowwhere.

It really helped me that while traveling I used Netflix to catch up and rewatch season 4 and 5a (the second of which I watched in like 2 nights forgoing my usual hotel bar beverage). Just so much is brought back and forth and there was what seemed like so much time between seasons

Just having the Gus death storyline fresh in my mind made that scene pretty awesome IMHO. This may sound over the top but it was one of my more favorite scenes in any series after I figured out what was actually going on. Seems like every episode takes a large turn. But now officially having these two as enemies after all these years, episodes and storylines was an epic scene to me.

Interested to see if the Todd/uncle storyline plays out. My best guess now is the. flash forwards of Walt are in the 2nd or 3rd to last episode setting up some fireworks for the ending.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby itissteeltime on Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:00 pm

Last night was my favorite episode of the entire series.

I think Walt Junior will be the reason Jesse doesn't burn the place, he'll walk in on him.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby itissteeltime on Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:12 pm

Last night was my favorite episode of the entire series.

I think Walt Junior will be the reason Jesse doesn't burn the place, he'll walk in on him.
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