A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby slappybrown on Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:52 am

count2infinity wrote:
slappybrown wrote:No reason to doubt Gilligan and these next two eps, but this felt like it could have been the series finale.


really? you'd have been satisfied with that? Jesse as a slave until Todd learns the cook, then he's dead. Walt living in NH for the rest of his life cut off from the family he desperately wants to be with and "protect". I have so many questions.... What is Marie going to do from here? How is Walt Jr. going to react to all of this? Does Skylar just keep going on business as usual with the carwash? Do the Nazi's get anything (from authorities or otherwise) for killing Hank? What's up with Lydia?

You're going to have questions no matter after the last two eps, I promise. The final scene with him getting into the van to get a new identity with Saul's fixer seemed like a series-ending type scene.

I don't want this show to go away, ever, but it has to end sometime.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby count2infinity on Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:52 am

I certainly think it ends with something much bigger and more dramatic than this last episode.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Kraftster on Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:54 am

count2infinity wrote:
slappybrown wrote:No reason to doubt Gilligan and these next two eps, but this felt like it could have been the series finale.


really? you'd have been satisfied with that? Jesse as a slave until Todd learns the cook, then he's dead. Walt living in NH for the rest of his life cut off from the family he desperately wants to be with and "protect". I have so many questions.... What is Marie going to do from here? How is Walt Jr. going to react to all of this? Does Skylar just keep going on business as usual with the carwash? Do the Nazi's get anything (from authorities or otherwise) for killing Hank? What's up with Lydia?


I kind of agree with slappy. I share those questions, but I don't think Gilligan is obligated to answer them, and I don't think there's any chance that all of them will be answered.

The only thing that I would have had a problem with would have been the Walt/Jesse story ending like that. I do think that would have been a fine way to end everything with Walt and his family.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:54 am

Gaucho wrote:So how many innocent victims are acceptable to protect your own family? (Or shall I say the White house?)


Exactly. And this end version if him is only really because of circumstance although he did try to save Hank. I just thought it was an awesome episode because the viewer was taken through 3 different versions of what they thought Walt was or had become:

Painful trying to save and then remorseful for Hank
Full on no holds back Heisnenerg vs Jesse and then his family
Anything at all to save them, basically back to first episode Walt
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby slappybrown on Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:54 am

count2infinity wrote:I certainly think it ends with something much bigger and more dramatic than this last episode.

The execution of his brother in law, a knife fight in his living room with his own wife and son, Jesse being enslaved, and him disappearing aren't "big" enough?
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby slappybrown on Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:56 am

Kraftster wrote:
count2infinity wrote:
slappybrown wrote:No reason to doubt Gilligan and these next two eps, but this felt like it could have been the series finale.


really? you'd have been satisfied with that? Jesse as a slave until Todd learns the cook, then he's dead. Walt living in NH for the rest of his life cut off from the family he desperately wants to be with and "protect". I have so many questions.... What is Marie going to do from here? How is Walt Jr. going to react to all of this? Does Skylar just keep going on business as usual with the carwash? Do the Nazi's get anything (from authorities or otherwise) for killing Hank? What's up with Lydia?


I kind of agree with slappy. I share those questions, but I don't think Gilligan is obligated to answer them, and I don't think there's any chance that all of them will be answered.

The only thing that I would have had a problem with would have been the Walt/Jesse story ending like that. I do think that would have been a fine way to end everything with Walt and his family.

The Walt/Jesse is the only piece I really see as "requiring" further resolution. Its over between Walt and his family. Marie knows her husband is dead. Walt has disappeared. Had the Nazis killed Jesse off, this would have been it, so I have to think the last two eps are primarily Jesse related.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Kraftster on Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:56 am

count2infinity wrote:
Kraftster wrote:So was Walt taking Holly all along in order to be able to make that call to protect Skylar?

Also, perhaps because of the theory that the video would leak and Hank would go down as the drug lord of the southwest posthumously, I was a bit surprised at how quickly Walt basically confessed to being what he is.


If Walt leaves and doesn't take Holly, do you think the police are there when he makes the call?


Right, that's why I am wondering. But, the way it was done, and the moment in the bathroom with Holly, I don't know, just would be some crazy planning by Walt. Not something we haven't seen before, obviously, but things happened so fast at the house that it would be a little too good, perhaps.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Gaucho on Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:57 am

count2infinity wrote:
Kraftster wrote:So was Walt taking Holly all along in order to be able to make that call to protect Skylar?

Also, perhaps because of the theory that the video would leak and Hank would go down as the drug lord of the southwest posthumously, I was a bit surprised at how quickly Walt basically confessed to being what he is.


If Walt leaves and doesn't take Holly, do you think the police are there when he makes the call?


I don't think clearing Skyler was the original plan. He fully intended to escape with Holly, but changed his mind when she cried for her mother.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Pitt87 on Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:57 am

Kraftster wrote:
count2infinity wrote:
slappybrown wrote:No reason to doubt Gilligan and these next two eps, but this felt like it could have been the series finale.


really? you'd have been satisfied with that? Jesse as a slave until Todd learns the cook, then he's dead. Walt living in NH for the rest of his life cut off from the family he desperately wants to be with and "protect". I have so many questions.... What is Marie going to do from here? How is Walt Jr. going to react to all of this? Does Skylar just keep going on business as usual with the carwash? Do the Nazi's get anything (from authorities or otherwise) for killing Hank? What's up with Lydia?


I kind of agree with slappy. I share those questions, but I don't think Gilligan is obligated to answer them, and I don't think there's any chance that all of them will be answered.

The only thing that I would have had a problem with would have been the Walt/Jesse story ending like that. I do think that would have been a fine way to end everything with Walt and his family.


Had Vince Gilligan wanted to leave things open ended, he certainly could have closed it with this ep. I'm grateful he did not...
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby slappybrown on Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:58 am

Gaucho wrote:
count2infinity wrote:
Kraftster wrote:So was Walt taking Holly all along in order to be able to make that call to protect Skylar?

Also, perhaps because of the theory that the video would leak and Hank would go down as the drug lord of the southwest posthumously, I was a bit surprised at how quickly Walt basically confessed to being what he is.


If Walt leaves and doesn't take Holly, do you think the police are there when he makes the call?


I don't think clearing Skyler was the original plan. He fully intended to escape with Holly, but changed his mind when she cried for her mother.

Agree with this. At best, he starts new with her and 10 million. At worst, she is used to achieve some other purpose. When he takes her, all he knows is that she gives him leverage in some unidentified way.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby count2infinity on Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:58 am

Kraftster wrote:
count2infinity wrote:
slappybrown wrote:No reason to doubt Gilligan and these next two eps, but this felt like it could have been the series finale.


really? you'd have been satisfied with that? Jesse as a slave until Todd learns the cook, then he's dead. Walt living in NH for the rest of his life cut off from the family he desperately wants to be with and "protect". I have so many questions.... What is Marie going to do from here? How is Walt Jr. going to react to all of this? Does Skylar just keep going on business as usual with the carwash? Do the Nazi's get anything (from authorities or otherwise) for killing Hank? What's up with Lydia?


I kind of agree with slappy. I share those questions, but I don't think Gilligan is obligated to answer them, and I don't think there's any chance that all of them will be answered.

The only thing that I would have had a problem with would have been the Walt/Jesse story ending like that. I do think that would have been a fine way to end everything with Walt and his family.


I know Gilligan isn't obligated to answer them, and likely won't answer all of them, but I need closure on Jesse's character. He's a wildly popular character and I don't think Gilligan will just leave him as a slave.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby slappybrown on Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:59 am

count2infinity wrote:
Kraftster wrote:
count2infinity wrote:
slappybrown wrote:No reason to doubt Gilligan and these next two eps, but this felt like it could have been the series finale.


really? you'd have been satisfied with that? Jesse as a slave until Todd learns the cook, then he's dead. Walt living in NH for the rest of his life cut off from the family he desperately wants to be with and "protect". I have so many questions.... What is Marie going to do from here? How is Walt Jr. going to react to all of this? Does Skylar just keep going on business as usual with the carwash? Do the Nazi's get anything (from authorities or otherwise) for killing Hank? What's up with Lydia?


I kind of agree with slappy. I share those questions, but I don't think Gilligan is obligated to answer them, and I don't think there's any chance that all of them will be answered.

The only thing that I would have had a problem with would have been the Walt/Jesse story ending like that. I do think that would have been a fine way to end everything with Walt and his family.


I know Gilligan isn't obligated to answer them, and likely won't answer all of them, but I need closure on Jesse's character. He's a wildly popular character and I don't think Gilligan will just leave him as a slave.

We agree, and its what I assume the last two eps focus on. Who needs a gun that big unless you are going Nazi-hunting?
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby count2infinity on Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:00 am

A knife would work in some movies....

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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:00 am

Its always interesting to read this thread before watching the episode.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Gaucho on Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:02 am

I think Jesse survives.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:04 am

slappybrown wrote:
Gaucho wrote:
count2infinity wrote:
Kraftster wrote:So was Walt taking Holly all along in order to be able to make that call to protect Skylar?

Also, perhaps because of the theory that the video would leak and Hank would go down as the drug lord of the southwest posthumously, I was a bit surprised at how quickly Walt basically confessed to being what he is.


If Walt leaves and doesn't take Holly, do you think the police are there when he makes the call?


I don't think clearing Skyler was the original plan. He fully intended to escape with Holly, but changed his mind when she cried for her mother.

Agree with this. At best, he starts new with her and 10 million. At worst, she is used to achieve some other purpose. When he takes her, all he knows is that she gives him leverage in some unidentified way.


Yeah it seemed to change his mind. His acting in this episode was absolutely incredible. That helped - that his character kept changing its full blown persona in the show. Simply an a amazing episode to have that storyline and have his character play the part.

Two episodes left. Ahhhhhh. The previews for next week had Walt talking to Saul about the Nazis. So combined with the flash forward the writers are trying to make you think Walt is coming back to get at them.

We shall see.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Dickie Dunn on Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:05 am

Watched the episode replay last night as well. Had a Breaking Bad dream as well. Truly an amazing episode. Can only think of one episode from another show that tops it for me (Season five finale on The Shield, which is apparently criminally under watched).

BurghersAndDogsSports wrote:Two episodes left. Ahhhhhh. The previews for next week had Walt talking to Saul about the Nazis. So combined with the flash forward the writers are trying to make you think Walt is coming back to get at them.

We shall see.


In my opinion (based on the preview for next week and my own theories as to what will happen) it has to be family related, not just for revenge. He thinks the Nazis killed Jesse, so he's out of sight, out of mind (unless some blue meth makes its way up to New Hampshire). Walt's phone call to Skyler gave me the impression that he had essentially given up. Yea he said he had "unfinished business", but I can see that being a ploy of some kind to keep the cops looking for him or to keep the White home under surveillance for protection. He took the heat off of Skyler, he returned Holly, what is remaining of his family is safe and has one parent to believe in. To me he seemed content to disappear and succumb to cancer while carrying around his own personal agony while his family attempts to rebuild their existence. For him to come back his family has to be under threat and I can't see it being anyone other than the Nazis. I'd still wager on the family ending up dead, leading to the abandonment of their home. Walt dies, last scene of the show is Angel-Walt reunited with Angel-Family at a barbecue in heaven, which looks exactly like Belize.

No, I don't actually think that last part is going to happen.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby pressure=9Pa on Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:55 am

I'm trying to remember the first season, but I'm anticipating Jesse's lockup drawing some parallels to Crazy 8's(?) or whoever that was in Jesse's house that attacked Walt with a broken piece of a plate.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Gaucho on Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:05 am

pressure=9Pa wrote:I'm trying to remember the first season, but I'm anticipating Jesse's lockup drawing some parallels to Crazy 8's(?) or whoever that was in Jesse's house that attacked Walt with a broken piece of a plate.


The fact that Jesse gets to spend time in that makeshift lab raises a lot of possibilities. And the fact that Walt presumes Jesse dead raises some more.

Btw, not sure if it was mentioned before, but to bookend the episode with those two telephone calls was a nice touch.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby pressure=9Pa on Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:10 am

I hadn't thought of the flashback phone conversation other than to talk about the baby name, but you're right.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby Pitt87 on Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:11 am

slappybrown wrote:
Gaucho wrote:
count2infinity wrote:
Kraftster wrote:So was Walt taking Holly all along in order to be able to make that call to protect Skylar?

Also, perhaps because of the theory that the video would leak and Hank would go down as the drug lord of the southwest posthumously, I was a bit surprised at how quickly Walt basically confessed to being what he is.


If Walt leaves and doesn't take Holly, do you think the police are there when he makes the call?


I don't think clearing Skyler was the original plan. He fully intended to escape with Holly, but changed his mind when she cried for her mother.

Agree with this. At best, he starts new with her and 10 million. At worst, she is used to achieve some other purpose. When he takes her, all he knows is that she gives him leverage in some unidentified way.


I think we're seeing Walt with no plan... the old Walt. Not Heisenberg with calculated outs. The ruthless murdered he created has ruined his life.

That said, he definitely knew the cops were there and needed to get them completely focused on him if Skylar and kids have any chance. I think its Jesse that brings the fight back to his door... just not sure how. Walt believed that Todd would kill him, but he obviously spared him so he could help him get the blue back in the product like Lydia wants...
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby shmenguin on Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:13 am

another nice tough from last night. the "ding ding ding" of the car when walt jr wouldn't put his seat belt on. any time you hear a bell on this show, something's going down.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby PensFanInDC on Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:14 am

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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

Postby MWB on Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:14 am

Gaucho wrote:
count2infinity wrote:
Kraftster wrote:So was Walt taking Holly all along in order to be able to make that call to protect Skylar?

Also, perhaps because of the theory that the video would leak and Hank would go down as the drug lord of the southwest posthumously, I was a bit surprised at how quickly Walt basically confessed to being what he is.


If Walt leaves and doesn't take Holly, do you think the police are there when he makes the call?


I don't think clearing Skyler was the original plan. He fully intended to escape with Holly, but changed his mind when she cried for her mother.


I agree. I think he was irate with skylar when he left. That point with holly made him snap back to reality and put things back in the proper perspective.
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Re: A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

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