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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby KennyTheKangaroo on Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:19 pm

pitt ended up being 9th in the acc by rivals and 7th by scout. but really when you look at the acc rankins it should be a ranking amongst 3 schools (the u, FSU and Clemson) and the rest of the conference
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby slappybrown on Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:53 pm

pfim wrote:I can't say I'm all that concerned about sitting in the 40s in the recruiting rankings as opposed to in the 25 range. There doesn't seem to be a huge difference there (maybe a top recruit or two, Henry etc). If Chryst is successful, it will be due to his coaching not his recruiting. Certainly that was the case at Wisconsin, who are rarely, if ever, in the top 25 of the rankings.

"A top recruit of two" that he misses on every year means that at any one time, 5-8 impact players are not on the field, and instead replaced by guys who were choosing between Pitt, Akron and the various directional Michigans. Look at the teams in the 20-30 range and the teams in the 40-50 range. It's a big difference in terms of program quality, and makes his margin for error significant thinner. Those one or two elite prospects per year are the difference between being a program that expects 8-9 wins a year versus 6-7.
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby pfim on Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:43 pm

Perhaps, I just look at how they recruited at Wisconsin in his time there, and I think his classes are just as good and often even better. I don't think it's a big deal for him, especially on the offensive side, to take a few MAC level kids and coach them up to the ACC.
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby ulf on Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:32 pm

I'm very comfortable with his recruiting so far. His bread and butter is offensive line, and a running game. You realize, with James, Voytik, Holtz, Orndoff, Boyd, Jennings, Bookser, Grimm, Johnson, Bisnowaty.. They could field an entire offense of 4 and 5 star players. He recruits well at the positions that he emphasizes in his offense. It worked at Wisconsin.. And I think it's working here.
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:34 pm

The idenity that the team is gaining is something that makes me want to watch them. Actually it may not be the specific identity, but rather the notable presence of an identity.
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby slappybrown on Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:28 pm

Stealing SDD's post from the PSU thread, but this is the kind of thing that gives me concern about Chryst and his recruiting:

Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:"@C_AdamskiTrib: When it comes to 2015 prospects that were offered scholarships by both Pitt & Penn State (per Rivals) who have committed, the score?
8-0 PSU"

:pop:


I know its not like the 70s where "winning" PA would give you a good shot at fielding a top 25 team, but when your archrival was on death's door and subject to continuing bowl bans and scholarship limits, and they still manage to pitch a shutout over 8 recruits? Not a good sign. You can only coach em up so much.
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:01 am

When did Tom Savage become a draft prospect?
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby columbia on Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:02 am

4. Speaking of surprise players … The stunner this draft season is a quarterback who threw 83 passes as a Rutgers sophomore in 2010, then didn’t play college football in 2011 or 2012 as he transferred from Rutgers to Arizona to Pitt. “The hottest guy in the draft,” Brandt of Tom Savage. How hot is he? Late last week Savage’s agent, Neil Schwartz, had to tell two teams who wanted to set up a visit or meeting with the quarterback that he didn’t have any time left to do so. “There are literally no days left on his calendar for him to go see any other teams,” Schwartz said Saturday. The deadline for teams to host players or work them out is April 27, and by then Savage is scheduled to have either worked out for or had visits with 24 or 25 teams. That’s an amazing number of workouts and/or meetings …


http://mmqb.si.com/2014/04/14/nfl-draft ... orning-qb/

Huh.
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:06 am

If Savage falls to the Steelers in the second round. How can they pass him up?
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby slappybrown on Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:25 am

Troy Loney wrote:If Savage falls to the Steelers in the second round. How can they pass him up?

Troy,

They would do so by not "selecting" Thomas Savage when it would be their turn to select. Instead of advising the NFL ("National Football League") officials on hand running the draft that they would like to draft Thomas Savage, they would instead provide a different name to the appropriate officials. For example, the Steelers could advise that they would like to draft "Troy Loney, Let Us Go Pens Internet Personality."

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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:26 am

You don't think his experience at Heinz Field makes him the ideal Steelers QB of the future?
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby slappybrown on Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:27 am

Troy Loney wrote:You don't think his experience at Heinz Field makes him the ideal Steelers QB of the future?

Troy,

I do not know.

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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby IanMoran on Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:29 am

columbia wrote:
4. Speaking of surprise players … The stunner this draft season is a quarterback who threw 83 passes as a Rutgers sophomore in 2010, then didn’t play college football in 2011 or 2012 as he transferred from Rutgers to Arizona to Pitt. “The hottest guy in the draft,” Brandt of Tom Savage. How hot is he? Late last week Savage’s agent, Neil Schwartz, had to tell two teams who wanted to set up a visit or meeting with the quarterback that he didn’t have any time left to do so. “There are literally no days left on his calendar for him to go see any other teams,” Schwartz said Saturday. The deadline for teams to host players or work them out is April 27, and by then Savage is scheduled to have either worked out for or had visits with 24 or 25 teams. That’s an amazing number of workouts and/or meetings …


http://mmqb.si.com/2014/04/14/nfl-draft ... orning-qb/

Huh.

Yea, I actually meant to post about this then forgot.. .There's been a ton of NFL Network / media guys really pumping up Savage recently.

Seeing stuff from 2nd to 4th rounder

Kiper has him in 3rd round.. McShay has him going 33rd overall :shock:

He does have an amazingly strong arm that I guess teams are falling in love with. Also I've seen people placing a lot of his struggles on Pitt's o-line
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby KennyTheKangaroo on Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:29 am

can anyone explain why
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby slappybrown on Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:31 am

He has prototype size, is a good athlete, and a relatively powerful arm. NFL coaches always think they coach up the guys who have the physical tools.
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby KennyTheKangaroo on Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:33 am

slappybrown wrote: is a good athlete



???????
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby IanMoran on Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:34 am

I'm a big supporter of Savage and I can see taking him in the 4th as a project with upside / Pitt's o-line really did suck. That McShay with him as 33rd overall to texans blew my mind though
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby slappybrown on Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:34 am

KennyTheKangaroo wrote:
slappybrown wrote: is a good athlete



???????

He's strong and can throw. I'm not suggesting he's a competent scrambler.
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby IanMoran on Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:35 am

He's > McCarron IMO
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:38 am

I'm sold.
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby Rocco on Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:44 am

Would you rather have Savage or Logan Thomas?
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:48 am

Savage,

who's Logan Thomas?
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby Stoosh on Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:24 pm

Not surprised in the interest in Savage. As Slappybrown said, he's got all the physical tools that NFL scouts fall in love with when it comes to QBs - namely, NFL prototype size and an arm strong enough to make "all the throws" (especially on those deeper out-routes). Accuracy and the ability to make reads can be refined/coached to some degree. Arm strength is something most QBs either have or they don't, and the ones that have it are the ones teams will most likely take a chance to develop.

I am kind of surprised that he's now being mentioned by some as a very high second-round pick but all it takes is one team to show that kind of interest. Circumstances in Houston ARE favorable to allow them to take a shot at developing him into something.
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby Rocco on Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:03 pm

Chris B. Brown ‏@smartfootball 2m

I guess it makes me terrible, but when I watch Tom Savage I see Brandon Weeden with less accuracy and touch
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Re: 2013-14 Pitt Football Thread

Postby KennyTheKangaroo on Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:19 am

To elaborate on stoosh's (spot on and well thought out) post, the following thoughts:

Before 2013 season, if someone were to suggest that savage had a chance to get drafted, it wouldnt have been a silly notion. After watching him in the first few games-when the offense was all about the five step drop-there were throws that he made that probably 3 or 4 guys, max, in college football could make. He made a cross field pass to boyd in the FSU game (after the game was decided) that was just eye popping after watching 3 years of tino.

But at the end of the day, the guy is a stiff.

Should he get drafted? Yes. In the 2nd or 3rd round? No.
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