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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Dickie Dunn on Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:00 pm

Or was the improvement of the offensive line because of the increased use of the no-huddle and quick passing routes. They couldn't run block to save their lives and there's been no improvement from Adams and Gilbert.

Not saying I agree with that, just providing a contrarian viewpoint.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby slappybrown on Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:03 pm

npv708 wrote:
Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:Don't fully understand the reasoning behind this move. I thought the line played much better down the stretch.


Exactly. Its completely unacceptable for the OL Coach to outperform the Head coach and OC. Coaching 101.

lol well said
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby viva la ben on Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:12 pm

I thought the yinzers wanted people to get fired?
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Rocco on Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:19 pm

Shoulda fired Haley.

It's a little strange, though it bears pointing out that Bicknell's zone-blocking scheme doesn't really fit the linemen the Steelers have. Plus they still couldn't run the ball this year and Ben was still sacked 42 times (7th in the league).
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Sam's Drunk Dog on Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:37 pm

Tweet from Jim Wexell for what it's worth.

James C Wexell (@jimwexell)
Steelers wanted to add outside zone blocking for years. Not Bicknells idea, but fact scrapped so early suggests dissatisfaction in prep.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Dickie Dunn on Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:39 pm

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/2014/01/03/Steelers-fire-offensive-line-coach-after-one-season/stories/201401030176

- Zone blocking scrapped after Pouncey's injury.
- 27th ranked rushing offense. 3.5ypc was the third lowest in the league.
- 31 sacks in the first 8 games. 12 sacks after the switch to more no huddle offense.
- Little to no improvement from Adams and Gilbert.

I really don't have a problem with this decision.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby tifosi77 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:21 pm

Rocco wrote:Plus they still couldn't run the ball this year and Ben was still sacked 42 times (7th in the league).

Look at the improvement in the sacks allowed department between the first and second halves of the season; if the line had been playing the first half like it was in the second half, Ben would have only been sacked 24, 25 times all year. Look at the improvement in the running game as the season progressed, as well. Some of that was undoubtedly the LeVeon Bell factor, I think a big part of those mid-season improvements was (had to be) coaching.

Interestingly, ESPN just gave the Steelers' O-line a 'B' for the season.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Rocco on Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:33 pm

tifosi77 wrote:
Rocco wrote:Plus they still couldn't run the ball this year and Ben was still sacked 42 times (7th in the league).

Look at the improvement in the sacks allowed department between the first and second halves of the season; if the line had been playing the first half like it was in the second half, Ben would have only been sacked 24, 25 times all year. Look at the improvement in the running game as the season progressed, as well. Some of that was undoubtedly the LeVeon Bell factor, I think a big part of those mid-season improvements was (had to be) coaching.

Interestingly, ESPN just gave the Steelers' O-line a 'B' for the season.


I'm sure there was some coaching. They also ran more no-huddle. They also faced an easier schedule.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Defence21 on Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:41 am

So, with Bicknell gone, the Bouchette of the PG mentions a couple interesting names.

The first is Mike Munchak, a PA guy who may or may not get the PSU gig with O'Brien gone. He's a former O-Line coach and head coach, but how successful was he at both?

The second is Tunch Ilkin, who Bouchette suggested last year. I think at that time, Bouchette said Ilkin probably wasn't ready for such a time-intensive job. Could the time be now? If so, what are the thoughts?

The third, to me, is most interesting: Russ Grimm. Apparently, he was in the running for the job last year, but was passed over because Tomlin wanted to avoid the sideshow that came with his hiring as head coach over both Grimm and Wiz. He did nice work when here, and some stability from a long-time coach would be nice. But you've got to think if he was passed over last year for trivial reasons the same will happen this year.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby DelPen on Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:34 am

Who has more power to fire coaches, Tomlin or Colbert?

Anything that is stupid with this team will remain as long as Colbert is GM. Haley and Tomlin's ineptness and weaknesses are permitted under his wacth.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Defence21 on Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:47 am

DelPen wrote:Who has more power to fire coaches, Tomlin or Colbert?

Anything that is stupid with this team will remain as long as Colbert is GM. Haley and Tomlin's ineptness and weaknesses are permitted under his wacth.

I don't profess to know the Steelers or football the way I know the Penguins and hockey, but I feel like this is an overly-general statement. Of course there have been significant areas of ineptitude over the last few years. Then again, there also have been serious areas of strength. Overall, it looks like Cowher's insight played a large role in making Colbert look legit -- but I'm sure there was a good bit of luck that played into that, just as there is a good bit of luck playing into the downfalls over the last few years.

To answer your question, it would be my guess that Tomlin has more power to hire/fire coaches, while Colbert has more power with regard to player personnel -- though I would assume most/all decisions are made jointly.

The bigger issue at hand may be Art Rooney's leadership. Whereas Dan chose to speak softly and let his hired men do their jobs, Art seems to poke his nose into the football side of the operations, and that direct involvement doesn't appear to be good. Really, though, it never is when an owner thinks he knows better than the professionals he hires to do the job -- see the Cowboys, Red Skins, and Raiders as three very poignant examples.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Rocco on Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:12 am

http://nfl.si.com/2014/01/08/2014-nfl-m ... manziel-2/

Dennard makes a lot of sense if Taylor is released. I'd rather draft Nix though. Pretty much anyone in the 11-21 range would be justifiable depending on who gets to the 15th pick.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby shafnutz05 on Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:37 pm

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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby slappybrown on Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:57 am

http://deadspin.com/the-nfl-can-force-t ... 1505269830

The NFL can force these teams to appear on Hard Knocks in 2014:

Bears
Bills
Cardinals
Giants
Jaguars
Raiders
Rams
Steelers


Seems to me that the Steelers, Bears, and Giants would be clear favorites to be selected in terms of national following and interest. I think the Steelers would be the most interesting in that Ben generates interest (for bad reasons), A. Brown is a character, Tomlin could say obviously 786 times, and Ike T Square would be entertaining. Plus listening to Troy talk like Michael Jackson is always good.

Bears would be interesting to watch Cutler sulk over having to attend training camp, but I don't know that they have many nationally known players in comparison to the Steelers.

The Giants would be good in terms of national appeal/market, but Coughlin and Eli seem boring/milquetoast.

Raiders would be the next best choice from a national following perspective, but they have very little in terms of star player appeal.

Really hoping they get picked.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby columbia on Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:00 am

I'm willing to meet Ben for a few drinks here in Georgia, if that's what it takes to get him primed for the series.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Crankshaft on Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:00 am

I have a feeling that if the Steelers are picked, I'm going to start to like some of these players even less than I do now.

At least Ryan Clark won't be involved.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Dickie Dunn on Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:01 am

slappybrown wrote:http://deadspin.com/the-nfl-can-force-these-eight-teams-to-appear-on-hard-k-1505269830

The NFL can force these teams to appear on Hard Knocks in 2014:

Bears
Bills
Cardinals
Giants
Jaguars
Raiders
Rams
Steelers


Seems to me that the Steelers, Bears, and Giants would be clear favorites to be selected in terms of national following and interest. I think the Steelers would be the most interesting in that Ben generates interest (for bad reasons), A. Brown is a character, Tomlin could say obviously 786 times, and Ike T Square would be entertaining. Plus listening to Troy talk like Michael Jackson is always good.

Bears would be interesting to watch Cutler sulk over having to attend training camp, but I don't know that they have many nationally known players in comparison to the Steelers.

The Giants would be good in terms of national appeal/market, but Coughlin and Eli seem boring/milquetoast.

Raiders would be the next best choice from a national following perspective, but they have very little in terms of star player appeal.

Really hoping they get picked.


The Steelers are easily the most popular team on that list. I would imagine they are the NFL's top choice.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby KennyTheKangaroo on Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:10 am

Ike swaggin u Taylor would be brilliant.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby penny lane on Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:53 pm

wpxi reporting Mike Munchak hired for Offensive line coach.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Loaf31 on Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:57 pm

penny lane wrote:wpxi reporting Mike Munchak hired for Offensive line coach.


HUGE get for the Steelers
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby columbia on Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:57 pm

Yeah, that seems like a good move.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby ulf on Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:30 am

Steelers hired Joey Porter as a defensive assistant
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Crankshaft on Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:31 am

It's probably hypocritical of me on some level, given that I don't like Richard Sherman's antics, but I love me some Joey Porter.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Letang Is The Truth on Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:31 am

shetland ponies in the area quiver
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby ulf on Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:44 am

The stillers need some attitude again, they don't scare anyone like they used to
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