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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:17 pm

ulf wrote:I just find it ironic to bash the drafting but complain when they walk. The drafting hasn't been as great as it used to be, but they got Lewis, Vince Williams, Cortez Allen, Antonio Brown, Shamarko (jury's out), Worilds, it's been adequate.



Is your contention that they've been drafting well? The recent draft record certainly isn't something to hang your hat on, but it's not the root of the organizational flaw. It's the garbage cap situation they've put themselves in order to keep trying to compete.

I'm also concerned about how bad they're going to sabotage the future cap situation with Roethlisberger's next deal.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby ulf on Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:20 pm

I think I explained it pretty clearly. It's not great, but not as bad as its made out to be. It's decent. Those were just mid round guys, throw in Heyward, Timmons, Bell, Decastro - there have been a nice amount of decent picks.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:22 pm

Rocco wrote:
KennyTheKangaroo wrote:It seems to this gentleman that troy loney believes that teams should be in one of two phases: Contending for championships or blowing it all up and starting over


The teams willing to blow it up and start over generally are teams that don't have a quality QB. When you actually have one of those the incentive to blow everything up goes way down. The Colts are the only team I can think of off the top of my head that blew it up and started over when they had a QB and nothing about their situation was normal.


I'm not interested in a team who's strategy going into a season is "cross the fingers and hope things work out". Nothing is a given in pro sports, but when a team is in denial of their actual state, it makes for indefinite lost seasons.

As a pittsburgh sports fans, I think we should be fully able to recognize an organization flailing helplessly to field a competitor.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Geezer on Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:43 pm

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20 ... ree-agency
Didn't see in the thread yet; hope I didn't miss it. Steelers cut super-hamstrings. It will be interesting to see if needing a job affects his work ethic.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Rocco on Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:03 pm

Troy Loney wrote:
Rocco wrote:
KennyTheKangaroo wrote:It seems to this gentleman that troy loney believes that teams should be in one of two phases: Contending for championships or blowing it all up and starting over


The teams willing to blow it up and start over generally are teams that don't have a quality QB. When you actually have one of those the incentive to blow everything up goes way down. The Colts are the only team I can think of off the top of my head that blew it up and started over when they had a QB and nothing about their situation was normal.


I'm not interested in a team who's strategy going into a season is "cross the fingers and hope things work out". Nothing is a given in pro sports, but when a team is in denial of their actual state, it makes for indefinite lost seasons.

As a pittsburgh sports fans, I think we should be fully able to recognize an organization flailing helplessly to field a competitor.


Look at the vets they've dumped over the last 2 years. Their actions pretty much make it clear they realize they aren't a contender at the moment. They're rebuilding. They aren't going to trade Roethlisberger even if you hold your breath until you turn blue in the face. If that's the only way you'll believe they are rebuilding then that's on you for expecting them to do something irrational.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Rocco on Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:05 pm

Geezer wrote:http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2014-steelers-free-agency/2014/3/10/5491402/steelers-cut-lamarr-woodley-2014-nfl-free-agency
Didn't see in the thread yet; hope I didn't miss it. Steelers cut super-hamstrings. It will be interesting to see if needing a job affects his work ethic.


We only were talking about it for the last two pages or so.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Rocco on Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:33 pm

Looks like the Steelers worked out a deal with Ike. I'd have cut him and moved on but I suppose they want an extra body in the secondary. My guess/hope is that they offered him a sharp pay cut like they did with Harrison last year and Ike decided not to make the same mistake Harrison made.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby shafnutz05 on Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:34 pm

Rocco wrote:Looks like the Steelers worked out a deal with Ike. I'd have cut him and moved on but I suppose they want an extra body in the secondary. My guess/hope is that they offered him a sharp pay cut like they did with Harrison last year and Ike decided not to make the same mistake Harrison made.


Yeah, I'm wary about this contract (the price, anyway)
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby the wicked child on Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:27 pm

As maligned as Ike has been, I'm not sure they could really just cut ties with him completely. Depending on what they worked out, it may be a good move.

Cutting Woodley is absolutely the right move. As great as he was back in 08 along w/ Harrison, he has basically been hurt almost non-stop since... and nowhere near good enough when he wasn't.

Also no problem with keeping Troy. He showed this year that when he stays healthy he can still be a damn good player; Yeah, some of the ZOMGWTFBBQ plays are not happening as he is perhaps just an instant slower, but he can still be a damn effective player out there.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Crankshaft on Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:58 pm

Ike re-signing?

The INK is about to dry on this paper...im a LIFER...#6BURGHfoalldemhatas...will retire as a ROONEY and a LEBEAU...✌️

https://twitter.com/ike_swagginu/status ... 4221449216
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby FreeCandy44 on Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:27 pm

Better be for depth and nothing else. The worst corner in the league need not start.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby the wicked child on Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:28 pm

FreeCandy44 wrote:Better be for depth and nothing else. The worst corner in the league need not start.

Come on now.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby FreeCandy44 on Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:30 pm

I heard it on Madden today, he said statistically he was the worst.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:39 pm

I have a pretty hard time believing that.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Grunthy on Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:47 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:I have a pretty hard time believing that.



That's because madden is an idiot. He might be one of the worst starting corners/starting 32 corners, but not the worst corner.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby FreeCandy44 on Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:48 pm

? Just repeating what I heard. I could be wrong...
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby TheHammer24 on Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:58 pm

I love Ike. He may be over the hill, but he has been very underrated over his career. Moreover, few players love Rooney and Lebeau as much as he does. When Rooney voiced his aversion to racial slurs in rap music, Ike spoke to the players in the locker room. He may not have the most advanced reading and writing skills, but I really think he is a class act. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm an irrational Ike fan.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby JS© on Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:15 pm

Crankshaft wrote:Ike re-signing?

The INK is about to dry on this paper...im a LIFER...#6BURGHfoalldemhatas...will retire as a ROONEY and a LEBEAU...✌️

https://twitter.com/ike_swagginu/status ... 4221449216


Ike Taylor probably dropped the pen while signing off on his newly restructured deal.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby FreeCandy44 on Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:16 pm

Hands of stone....

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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby ville5 on Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:59 am

Ikes pay reduced to $2.75 mil. No extension still 1 year.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby canaan on Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:05 am

the corner ability of this team, while not incredible, would stat out a lot more favorably if the front 7 wasnt a complete dumpster fire.

its like harping on the bruised elbow when you have a broken wrist.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:14 am

Rocco wrote:Look at the vets they've dumped over the last 2 years. Their actions pretty much make it clear they realize they aren't a contender at the moment. They're rebuilding. They aren't going to trade Roethlisberger even if you hold your breath until you turn blue in the face. If that's the only way you'll believe they are rebuilding then that's on you for expecting them to do something irrational.



Very true, and there really isn't any need to rehash this argument again. Have to agree to disagree, I think the release of veterans in recent years has been solely reactive based on cap hits and declining play, I take it from your posts that to you it's a sort of controlled bleeding out as they take a systematic approach to letting the vets walk.
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby ulf on Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:17 am

Cap hits and declining play? What other reasons do you need? lol
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:26 am

ulf wrote:Cap hits and declining play? What other reasons do you need? lol


Getting better players? Putting together a roster that can make the playoffs?
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Re: Official 2013-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:27 am

And future snarkiness will not be responded to.
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