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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby ulf on Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:19 am

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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby ulf on Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:31 am

If you smell rotten eggs in your house, and there aren't any rotten eggs in your house.. Jamie Dixon!
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby canaan on Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:01 am

Getting rid of Dixon is a reactionary poopbutt move, and thats coming from a a non-Pitt fan. I don't understand the Pitt rationale. You guys are a mediocre program wanting to be something you'll never be. Dixon has put the program at its max potential, systemically speaking.

this game was player malfeasance. Plain and simple. They need to have a meeting and claim ownership of their foul ups.
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby ulf on Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:04 am

canaan wrote:Getting rid of Dixon is a reactionary poopbutt move, and thats coming from a a non-Pitt fan. I don't understand the Pitt rationale. You guys are a mediocre program wanting to be something you'll never be. Dixon has put the program at its max potential, systemically speaking.

I've been pro Dixon for his tenure, I've just really soured on his in game coaching the past few weeks.

The argument you made is one I'll never understand. A program should be happy where it is, and never strive for the next level?
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby canaan on Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:07 am

Pitt isn't going to get Kentucky or unc or duke or even UCLA prospects. They've done well recruiting and have surpassed expectations within the nyc/nj market. They are a decent but not exceptional program. Sometimes, okay isn't bad.
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby MRandall25 on Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:08 am

I think what canaan is saying is that Dixon has maxed Pitt in terms of where the program is. They can try to strive for the proverbial "next level" all they want, but they'll never get there because they aren't a Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Michigan, etc. with the clout and ability to recruit at will.
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby ulf on Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:11 am

Pitt was a top 10 team for a few years. He maxed them out then, it's not like things have been steady since then.
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby ulf on Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:13 am

Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming tonight on Dixon. But at some point, it's on the coaching. Pitt isn't a Duke/UNC, but they aren't a mediocre 8th place ACC team either.
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby jimjom on Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:27 am

I don't know I think when former players call the coach out on twitter coaching plays some part in the problem because they know more than we do.

A really weak non-con schedule pads wins but doesn't help much in February and March.

Never will happen but I'd love to see what Sean Miller could do here or the guy from VCU. Or the guy from Wichita.
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby jimjom on Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:28 am

Oh and I didn't see any of tonight's game, so i am still going on Saturday's effort.
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby KennyTheKangaroo on Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:28 am

Right now pitt is sitting at 5th in the ACC with a 10-7 record. Thats not quite underwhelming but its not exactly great either.

There are lots of reasons why pitt was picked to finished in 6th this year in the ACC. They lost like 5 guys from last years regular rotation. They are thin (both literally and figuratively) at the 4 and 5 spots. So when you add all of things together, and sprinkle in injuries to zanna and patterson, you end up with a 10-7 record.

No one likes losing games to NC State when you have a 10 point first half lead. No one likes losing games on buzzer beaters from almost half court. No one likes OT games against the teams that are the armpit of the ACC. But when you arent that good, you are going to struggle at times.

Dixon had the best in conference record in the history of the big east. He's had teams ranked #1 in the nation. He's had 1 seeds in the NCAA tournament. He's had 9 NCAA appearances in 10 seasons. No, that hasn't translated into a ton of success, but quite frankly its not all that bad.

Not every program has had great seasons 100% of the time. Thats how it goes in college basketball. Pitt fans dont have to celebrate 10-7 seasons but they also need to have perspective.

Kenny the kangaroo fails to see how the nonconference schedule has harmed them this season. They have played fine on the road. The home struggles are vexing to say the least.
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby ulf on Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:21 am

I don't know, the key word in all of that is "had." I'm not sure he's getting Pitt back there.
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby slappybrown on Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:39 am

I side more with canaan than with ulf, though I think Dixon is at a crossroads. The 2015 class could be defining:

His next class is blah:

http://pittsburgh.scout.com/a.z?s=141&p ... bb&yr=2014

But in 2015, Pitt is in for 7 prospects, 6 of whom are ranked in the top 25 at their respective positions in the country. Even excluding Diallo and Briscoe who have a short list of 15 schools each, he already has the #23 SG in the country (who goes to the same high school as Diallo). If he hits a home and can get Jones, Papagiannis, and Lloyd, all of whom are PA recruits and all of whom Pitt is a finalist amongst 5 schools, I'd feel great. Even two of those guys would be fantastic, and would make me feel a lot better about where he is taking the program.

http://pittsburgh.scout.com/a.z?s=141&p ... bb&yr=2015
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby KennyTheKangaroo on Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:59 am

next years class is basically a bandaid on all the missess/draft losses/transfers from the past 2 or 3 recruiting classes. unless mostella comes through, it seems like there wont be game changers. the 2014-15 season should be another underwhelming season, at least compared to what we are used to. 2015-16, Robinson and d. johnson will be seniors, young and artis will be fully developed, jeter should be a bigtime contributor. just like this year though, the post play remains a question.

you really can't underestimate the negative impact of losing birch and adams in back to back years. when chris taft left, aaron gray ended up being an all conference performer and was an AP third team all american. pitt hasnt been able to find a replacement like that for either birch or adams.
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby Dickie Dunn on Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:08 pm

slappybrown wrote:I side more with canaan than with ulf, though I think Dixon is at a crossroads. The 2015 class could be defining:

His next class is blah:

http://pittsburgh.scout.com/a.z?s=141&p ... bb&yr=2014

But in 2015, Pitt is in for 7 prospects, 6 of whom are ranked in the top 25 at their respective positions in the country. Even excluding Diallo and Briscoe who have a short list of 15 schools each, he already has the #23 SG in the country (who goes to the same high school as Diallo). If he hits a home and can get Jones, Papagiannis, and Lloyd, all of whom are PA recruits and all of whom Pitt is a finalist amongst 5 schools, I'd feel great. Even two of those guys would be fantastic, and would make me feel a lot better about where he is taking the program.

http://pittsburgh.scout.com/a.z?s=141&p ... bb&yr=2015


I'm to the point where any optimism about Pitt basketball reaching the next level is leaving me. The 2015 recruiting class looks like it could be amazing, but does it really matter? James Robinson was the 10th ranked point guard in the country and he's an offensive disaster. Dixon chased away 3/4 of his 2011 class. Recruited a one and done lottery pick in 2012 and only used him to take up space. Unless Dixon's hand is forced due to lack of organizational depth, none of the 2015 recruits will see significant minutes until they can prove to Dixon that they can defend like Jaron Brown.
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby ulf on Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:12 pm

Dickie, that was the realization I had last night. Hypothetical - if Warren was a Pitt Panther, what would his PPG be right now? Would he be leaving for the NBA this year?
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby Dickie Dunn on Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:21 pm

He would have been benched for shooting too early in the shot clock.

Edit: If the 2015 recruiting class actually finishes out how its currently shaping up, I would expect about half the class to transfer within two years. It's been Dixon's MO the past couple years to sell recruits on a new "up-tempo" system and that they can come in and make an immediate impact, neither of which ever actually happen. The top players are focused on offense and want to play now. They don't want to hang onto the ball until Dixon gives them the green light and not everyone is a happy little soldier like Sam Young sitting on the bench while Levon Kendall plays significant minutes because he's tall, white, Canadian, and older than you. Dixon is an over-coaching control freak who can't get out of his own way long enough to let himself or this program reach the next level.
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby Rocco on Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:22 pm

Outrebounded 35-23 last night. Remember when Pitt was tough to play against?
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby Rocco on Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:19 pm

If I told you a team blew a 5 point lead with 3 seconds to play in a Pitt game, normally you'd assume Pitt was the team to screw the pooch. Not today.
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby Tomas on Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:58 pm

I was teaching today - it's so awesome re-watching all those Pitt misses in the last 3 minutes knowing they would not matter after all. :)
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby Rocco on Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:38 pm

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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby ulf on Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:40 pm

I still think they need to win the first ACC tourney game
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby Rocco on Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:54 pm

ulf wrote:I still think they need to win the first ACC tourney game


How many conference tournament games Pitt has won since 2009?
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby ulf on Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:55 pm

I don't even want to look that up
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Re: Pitt basketball thread 2013-2014

Postby Rocco on Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:56 pm

The answer is one, in 2012 against St. John's.
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