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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby Fast B on Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:47 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:
Rocco wrote:Mendenhall has a worse YPC than Bell this year. He managed 14 yards on 13 carries against the mighty Jags. That's not even including the off-the-field crap. Who exactly wants him back over Bell?



Mendenhall is not the same player since that injury.


That really doesn't matter anyway. Mendenhall was brought into this conversation when someone said that Bell is the best RB the steelers have had in the last 3 seasons. Mendenhall had better YPC in 2011 and his time in 2012.


No, that's a fair point. I guess I was responding from the "eye test", in that Bell seems to be more able to produce something from nothing.
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby Troy Loney on Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:17 pm

count2infinity wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:But, we can just make a blanket statement about how bad the offensive line is, and that is basically the end all for all discussion as to why the Steelers are bad. I'd be willing to bet if they had more talent on offense that defenses had to respect, the oline would play better.


Out of curiosity, which offensive position is lacking talent? RB? Ask most experts, they'll tell you he's a very talented running back. WR? We have a good bit of talent there, I'd say. QB? He's one of the best in the league (I know...debatable.) TE? You don't get much more consistent than Heath. O-line... eek.

whoops... slappy beat me there.

:fist:


Nothing at WR behind brown, nothing at TE behind miller and nothing at RB behind Bell.

Is this really even up for debate? Is the running theory (for what seems like eternity) that they just need to improve the line and then back to SB champs?
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby kovyfalcon27 on Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:30 pm

In my opinion Dywer is the best runner on the team, but Tomlin is still mad at him for being out of shape 3 years ago so it's a moot point.
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby count2infinity on Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:31 pm

didn't realize 5 years was an eternity...
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby Troy Loney on Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:44 pm

So that's the point in that post you want to address? I think it's pretty clear that I am more bearish than everyone here on the steelers short term prospects, but i don't think pointing out that my stance is "too"bearish does anything to detract from my hypothesis.

I think that i fear the org might also share your guys sentiment about their prospect and need for one more broeth window. So changes will just amount to firing Haley and a continued revolving door oline
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby Grunthy on Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:47 pm

Says the guy that admits to not watching the games so couldn't possibly judge any of our prospects...
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby ulf on Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:47 pm

kovyfalcon27 wrote:In my opinion Dywer is the best runner on the team, but Tomlin is still mad at him for being out of shape 3 years ago so it's a moot point.

Dwyer sucks
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby IanMoran on Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:53 pm

ulf wrote:
kovyfalcon27 wrote:In my opinion Dywer is the best runner on the team, but Tomlin is still mad at him for being out of shape 3 years ago so it's a moot point.

Dwyer sucks

Except he always runs well... in the very few opportunities he has.
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby Pavel Bure on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:03 pm

IanMoran wrote:
ulf wrote:
kovyfalcon27 wrote:In my opinion Dywer is the best runner on the team, but Tomlin is still mad at him for being out of shape 3 years ago so it's a moot point.

Dwyer sucks

Except he always runs well... in the very few opportunities he has.

Yeah except for when he got cut or had the starting job only to suck.
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:07 pm

Fast B wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:
Rocco wrote:Mendenhall has a worse YPC than Bell this year. He managed 14 yards on 13 carries against the mighty Jags. That's not even including the off-the-field crap. Who exactly wants him back over Bell?



Mendenhall is not the same player since that injury.


That really doesn't matter anyway. Mendenhall was brought into this conversation when someone said that Bell is the best RB the steelers have had in the last 3 seasons. Mendenhall had better YPC in 2011 and his time in 2012.


No, that's a fair point. I guess I was responding from the "eye test", in that Bell seems to be more able to produce something from nothing.


I'm pretty sure that Bell is better than Mendenhall was those last 1+ years as well. At the time we had been talking about YPC though.
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:09 pm

IanMoran wrote:
ulf wrote:
kovyfalcon27 wrote:In my opinion Dywer is the best runner on the team, but Tomlin is still mad at him for being out of shape 3 years ago so it's a moot point.

Dwyer sucks

Except he always runs well... in the very few opportunities he has.


Still can't figure out why they cut him instead of Redman.
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby Troy Loney on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:15 pm

Grunthy wrote:Says the guy that admits to not watching the games so couldn't possibly judge any of our prospects...



Unless you are analyzing coaches tape, I highly doubt that watching the broadcast gives you any more insight into analyzing the short term prospects of this team as opposed to my results based analysis.

They have a crap record, they've played a bad schedule and have a bad cap scenario
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby ulf on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:16 pm

IanMoran wrote:
ulf wrote:
kovyfalcon27 wrote:In my opinion Dywer is the best runner on the team, but Tomlin is still mad at him for being out of shape 3 years ago so it's a moot point.

Dwyer sucks

Except he always runs well... in the very few opportunities he has.

Perhaps he runs well because he has few opportunities. ie he is fresh.
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby Grunthy on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:37 pm

Troy Loney wrote:
Grunthy wrote:Says the guy that admits to not watching the games so couldn't possibly judge any of our prospects...



Unless you are analyzing coaches tape, I highly doubt that watching the broadcast gives you any more insight into analyzing the short term prospects of this team as opposed to my results based analysis.

They have a crap record, they've played a bad schedule and have a bad cap scenario



Oh you mean like how I played football for most of my life and have coached and evaluated talent... You're right I could never look at all the angles that broadcasts have and get a good opinion on a player. Thank you Mr. No watch... :pop:
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:40 pm

This argument just entered a new tier of absurdity.
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby Pavel Bure on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:40 pm

I've played every Madden from 1994 to 2001 even Madden 64 where you could create 8 foot tall players. I think I know football.
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby ulf on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:49 pm

I'm 10-0 as a starting quarterback so :pop:
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby Grunthy on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:57 pm

There is no argument. One guy admits to not watching or caring. I would think the other person knows more about the team. Its common sense even without the other person having a background. No need for the asinine posts.
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby Grunthy on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:58 pm

Oh wait this is LGP... nevermind carry on... :pop:
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby ulf on Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:04 am

Grunthy wrote: No need for the asinine posts.

Ironic since you started them
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby Grunthy on Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:08 am

ulf wrote:
Grunthy wrote: No need for the asinine posts.

Ironic since you started them



Cause I stated my background knowledge in football? So people can't say anything to help bolster their opinion? Point noted...
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby ulf on Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:09 am

I would say it was the Mr. No watch comment lol
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby FreeCandy44 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:11 am

Pavel Bure wrote:I've played every Madden from 1994 to 2001 even Madden 64 where you could create 8 foot tall players. I think I know football.

Kordell Stewart on a sideline fade to Antwan Randle El won me many a game.
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby Grunthy on Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:12 am

ulf wrote:I would say it was the Mr. No watch comment lol



I would say the :pop: would say I was being facetious.
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Re: Are You Ready for Some Football - Steelers/Lions

Postby IanMoran on Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:18 am

ulf wrote:
IanMoran wrote:
ulf wrote:
kovyfalcon27 wrote:In my opinion Dywer is the best runner on the team, but Tomlin is still mad at him for being out of shape 3 years ago so it's a moot point.

Dwyer sucks

Except he always runs well... in the very few opportunities he has.

Perhaps he runs well because he has few opportunities. ie he is fresh.

Yea... he once got a lot of carries, and he did this
http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=321021004

Then he followed it up with, this

http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=321028023

Then leftwhich became qb, and the d overly stacked the line to stop Dwyer, he struggled 1 game and was never given a shot again.
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