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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby Samsdog on Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:38 pm

canaan wrote:
llipgh2 wrote:Blackface is seen as offensive because the history behind it, just as one of the posters in the article noted. I doubt Kane meant it to be or understood it to be offensive. But he has to realize, especially after the cab incident, he is going to be scrutinized. He needs to think once in a while.


I earnestly believe there to be a huge difference between racially-motivated theatrical blackface and dressing up for halloween. I dont think the scrutiny of Kane, or that Dallas cheerleader for that matter, is appropriate and is rather silly. Where that line would be blurred, would be in the person's behavior while donning the make-up that could lend to racial overtones--which, from what ive read, was never an issue in either case.

that being said, i understand the issues (oversensitive america, history, etc) but the correllation of racism and these costumes is a tad absurd. I dont see any outrage from the native american's re: the wide variety of those that fake bake/spray tan to achieve that authentic indian look.

The characters portrayed by kane and the cheerleader are both flamboyant and iconic figures. I find it highly hypocritical that comedy shows such as SNL and MadTV can parody these figures (by white actors) and is revered as comedy, where as if an individual does something similar at a halloween party, there is some underlying racism. The whole thing reeks of boring news week.


Amen to that. The author can say all he wants that he isn't writing about this because he thinks it's racist, but that's a crock. If he didn't think that, he wouldn't be suggesting that Kane needs to think before he does something like this. It's totally ridiculous that anyone would think this is racist.
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby llipgh2 on Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:41 pm

canaan wrote: The whole thing reeks of boring news week.


I don't think it's a news story. It appears to be an op/ed written by an African-American hockey fan/sports blogger.
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby duke66 on Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:23 pm

canaan wrote:
llipgh2 wrote:Blackface is seen as offensive because the history behind it, just as one of the posters in the article noted. I doubt Kane meant it to be or understood it to be offensive. But he has to realize, especially after the cab incident, he is going to be scrutinized. He needs to think once in a while.


I earnestly believe there to be a huge difference between racially-motivated theatrical blackface and dressing up for halloween. I dont think the scrutiny of Kane, or that Dallas cheerleader for that matter, is appropriate and is rather silly. Where that line would be blurred, would be in the person's behavior while donning the make-up that could lend to racial overtones--which, from what ive read, was never an issue in either case.

that being said, i understand the issues (oversensitive america, history, etc) but the correllation of racism and these costumes is a tad absurd. I dont see any outrage from the native american's re: the wide variety of those that fake bake/spray tan to achieve that authentic indian look.

The characters portrayed by kane and the cheerleader are both flamboyant and iconic figures. I find it highly hypocritical that comedy shows such as SNL and MadTV can parody these figures (by white actors) and is revered as comedy, where as if an individual does something similar at a halloween party, there is some underlying racism. The whole thing reeks of boring news week.



welcome to the year 2009 media! i used to work in the media, and one of the reason i'm not anymore (aside from crummy pay), i got so sick and tired of non stories being beat into the ground. who f***in' cares!
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby canaan on Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:52 pm

llipgh2 wrote:
canaan wrote: The whole thing reeks of boring news week.


I don't think it's a news story. It appears to be an op/ed written by an African-American hockey fan/sports blogger.

perhaps i gave the story more legitimacy/attention than it needed. :oops:
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby JS© on Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:21 pm

non-issue.

Another case of playing it safe and oversensitivity. If he were to come out in true blackface, then they should be having this discussion.
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby littlemoonboot on Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:24 pm

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So basically the blogger thinks Kane was insensitive and went full retard?
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby Bob McKenzie on Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:33 pm

Maybe the blogger is just a person that likes to cry racism :pop:
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby shmenguin on Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:19 pm

canaan wrote:that being said, i understand the issues (oversensitive america, history, etc) but the correllation of racism and these costumes is a tad absurd. I dont see any outrage from the native american's re: the wide variety of those that fake bake/spray tan to achieve that authentic indian look.


not to mention the faux hawk...

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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby llipgh2 on Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:43 pm

canaan wrote:
llipgh2 wrote:
canaan wrote: The whole thing reeks of boring news week.


I don't think it's a news story. It appears to be an op/ed written by an African-American hockey fan/sports blogger.

perhaps i gave the story more legitimacy/attention than it needed. :oops:


Nah, it's all good. Worth the discussion it has generated.
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby Gaucho on Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:49 pm

I guess some of you read only four or five sentences before you decided that you need to vent about the article. You missed this:

"(For the record, It's not that the actual act of having blackface on offends me, it doesn't. But there's just something about a human being living in modern society that thinks nothing twice of putting it or anything else like it on and then looking around and saying, "What? What did I do wrong?". That really gets at me. I forgive ignorance. Not knowing doesn't bother me. You live in Chicago though, man. You go to work in an area with a large Black community. It's just not smart. )"
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby Draftnik on Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:56 pm

This seems to be an opinion piece from a black guy so his POV and sensitivities are probably different from what is likely an overwhelmingly white majority posting in this thread. Personally I am not offended by Kane's costume or the opinion of some black guy that might be offended by black face makeup. I will be offended (or more appropriately mad) if Kane does not play well for Team USA in Vancouver.
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby Bob McKenzie on Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:16 pm

Gaucho wrote:I guess some of you read only four or five sentences before you decided that you need to vent about the article. You missed this:

"(For the record, It's not that the actual act of having blackface on offends me, it doesn't. But there's just something about a human being living in modern society that thinks nothing twice of putting it or anything else like it on and then looking around and saying, "What? What did I do wrong?". That really gets at me. I forgive ignorance. Not knowing doesn't bother me. You live in Chicago though, man. You go to work in an area with a large Black community. It's just not smart. )"


I did read that and felt it was a lame excuse to cover up any heat the blogger may get from writing the article.

Some people in the comments had some great points that he didn't address either. Someone pointed out that a basketball player dressed up white face like Cal Ripken and what's the big deal there? It isn't a big deal unless someone makes it one. Crying racism for stupid things like this is ignorant and serves nothing than making race an issue when it isn't in this case.

Sometimes you have to look at intent as well. I seriously doubt Pat Kane went out with the intention that night of wanting to offend another race whereas you have that idiot comic that goes to Compton dressed like the KKK being another story.
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby Samsdog on Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:43 pm

Bob McKenzie wrote:
Gaucho wrote:I guess some of you read only four or five sentences before you decided that you need to vent about the article. You missed this:

"(For the record, It's not that the actual act of having blackface on offends me, it doesn't. But there's just something about a human being living in modern society that thinks nothing twice of putting it or anything else like it on and then looking around and saying, "What? What did I do wrong?". That really gets at me. I forgive ignorance. Not knowing doesn't bother me. You live in Chicago though, man. You go to work in an area with a large Black community. It's just not smart. )"


I did read that and felt it was a lame excuse to cover up any heat the blogger may get from writing the article.

Some people in the comments had some great points that he didn't address either. Someone pointed out that a basketball player dressed up white face like Cal Ripken and what's the big deal there? It isn't a big deal unless someone makes it one. Crying racism for stupid things like this is ignorant and serves nothing than making race an issue when it isn't in this case.

Sometimes you have to look at intent as well. I seriously doubt Pat Kane went out with the intention that night of wanting to offend another race whereas you have that idiot comic that goes to Compton dressed like the KKK being another story.


We did read it. As I said before, that's a crock. If he really thought that he wouldn't have felt compelled to write that article. He would have shaken his head and moved on. If he didn't think that the act of wearing blackface was inherently offensive then there would be no reason that doing it wasn't smart or that whoever is wearing it should think they were doing something wrong.
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby crayz on Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:33 am

so living in chicago...I dont think people really give a ..... i've heard no mention of it on sports radio or anywhere except here.
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby JoseCuervo on Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:43 am

Pavel Bure wrote:I'm gonna give this a great big huge who cares.
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby bhaw on Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:43 pm

Both sides can learn a lesson:

Kane - If you're already in the spotlight because you flipped out over 2 dimes on a cab driver a few months ago, maybe it's best if you lay low for a little while.

Author - Let's not turn on the super-sensitive goggles every time you see something that maybe controversial, but even by your own admission, probably isn't.

The rest of us can go on not caring :D
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby wallflower on Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:02 pm

I don't really care but he looks like a tool who was fake-baking too much, not wearing blackface.
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby brwi on Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:21 pm

shmenguin wrote:Image


As a heterosexual, I find this picture highly offensive.
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby MalkINintheMiddle on Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:31 pm

brwi wrote:
shmenguin wrote:Image


As a heterosexual, I find this picture highly offensive.

:lol:
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby ulf on Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:41 pm

who cares? geez. people are so damn sensitive. if anything, he's idolizing one of the greatest basketball players of all time.
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby Idoit40fans on Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:47 am

I need to borrow my friend's Kane jersey next year, wear my pippen jersey, and go as Pat Kane as Pippen.
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby SolidSnake on Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:03 am

What does the tattoo on the bottom of his arm say?
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby Fast B on Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:12 am

SolidSnake wrote:What does the tattoo on the bottom of his arm say?


"Jager bombs"
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby brwi on Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:28 am

Fast B wrote:
SolidSnake wrote:What does the tattoo on the bottom of his arm say?


"Jager bombs"


:lol: My New Haircut, broski.
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Re: Pat Kane Strikes Again

Postby JS© on Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:19 pm

littlemoonboot wrote:Image

So basically the blogger thinks Kane was insensitive and went full retard?


'What do you mean, "you people"?' :P

C Thomas Howell would also like to check in to say that he had no problem with Kane's costume.

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