" Crosby's barely mentioned the Calder race all season, whereas, Ovechkin seems obsessed with it. I think he might have a hang-up about being "shown-up" by a kid 2 years younger than him. "
Where is the proof for this??? Again, quit looking at this through the black and gold glasses?
Do you just spout this stuff without reading the links?
Maybe you should click on the links and actually read the article where AO was talking about BOTH Crosby and Staal in reference to the Calder. So, there's your proof.
Your item number #1: "1. When has AO mentioned the Calder? " is just plain wrong. ADMIT IT.
kovyman1127 wrote:"For starters, even before he came to the US, he said he wanted to win the Calder. "
So did Crosby?? So...what's the point
You're the one who said AO wasn't talking Calder not us. We admit Crosby was, and even said it was natural because rookie contracts typically included financial incentives for winning the Calder.
kovyman1127 wrote:"I'd rather have a player who was team focused and was on the wrong side of the ref's than a player who was selfish and detrimental to the team"
So...Crosby yapping and getting 2 minute minors for it is more detrimental than Ovechkin??
HUH? What have you been drinking? That makes no sense at all.
I never said Crosby's yapping was more detrimental than AO's "ME MYSELF and I" routine.
Crosby getting the occasional two minutes puts his team at a disadvantage and shows his current immaturity. I wish he'd stop it. I've been saying that nearly all year. However, how can you possibly say you prefer to have a selfish player, no matter how talented, over a guy of similar talent who has never shown he's anything but a team player?
Didn't you learn anything by watching Jagr? I'll take Ronnie Francis any day over Jamior Jagr if I'm building a team that might compete for the Cup. Just look at Jagr's actions again last night against the Flyers. AO is following in the exact same footsteps.
"I love AO's abilities. He's a joy to watch, both offensively and defensively (when he wants to be), but I'd rather have a player like Crosby on my team. A player who has the ability to blossum into a leader and take his team to the 'Cup."
Who says AO can't be that kind of player?? And Crosby ISN'T that kind of player now....so, again, quit looking at this with bias.
See above. AO wasn't benched because he was a team player, I'll type this slowly so you can follow along:
He was benched the other night because HE WASN'T a team player.
Just what has Sid done or said that would indicate he's not. In fact, just yesterday an article was posted about Sid's ability to interact with MAF and Army and his desire to learn French to smooth relations with both french-Canadian players and fans.
I defy you to cite an example that #87 isn't a team player.
kovyman1127 wrote:"I have seen Crosby live about a dozen times and also watched him on tv. I have seen AO live 8 times and also watched him on tv. AO is quite one dimentional. I am not convinced that AO actually realizes that forwards are allowed to play defensively BEFORE the 55 minute mark."
Ok...now explain to me why Crosby is a -8 and AO is a plus 2?? Both on terrible teams....again, I hate to keep taking you guys to school...but come on...
Taking us to school???... only if your sitting in the little desk with the Ink well and taking recess twice a day.
Plus/Minus is the single most misleading stat in sports. It's a personal stat that indicates how well you're playing as a unit, even a team.
I'll grant you that AO has a better +/- but his plus minus is certainly not because he camps out on the red-line during a power play.[/quote]
kovyman1127 wrote:Also, I never said that AO OR SC wouldn't be going for the Calder...its just AO "admits" that he is going for it.
Wow, how quickly you forget your point #1: "
1. When has AO mentioned the Calder? "
You said it. Plain and simple. Nice try to change history though.
kovyman1127 wrote:I think this thread is amusing....if the Pens ended up with AO last year and the caps got SC this year....you would be saying the same stuff...but in reverse.
You guys need to learn to be "objective".
Objective... are you reading? My exact quote was ""I love AO's abilities. He's a joy to watch, both offensively and defensively (when he wants to be)"
You really ought to see if you can find your old "Dick and Jane" books, you're reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.