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Best Shootout goal

Postby Reilly on Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:58 am

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Postby Kicksave on Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:28 am

I wouldn't rank that ahead of Sidney's goal against Montreal.
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Postby netwolf on Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:43 am

I would.

The best one of the year so far was Marek Malkin between the legs. The move was great, but the goal was even more incredible when you consider who it was and how far into the shootout it was when he did it.
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Postby Reilly on Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:43 am

Kicksave wrote:I wouldn't rank that ahead of Sidney's goal against Montreal.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Re: Best Shootout goal

Postby Mad City Mike on Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:37 am



That was an awesome move. Never saw that one before.
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Re: Best Shootout goal

Postby netwolf on Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:53 am

Mad City Mike wrote:


That was an awesome move. Never saw that one before.


Seriously? That was almost a carbon copy of Datsyuk's jock-dropping move on Marty Turco in a regular seaons game not that long ago.
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Postby Pitts on Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:57 am

Kicksave wrote:I wouldn't rank that ahead of Sidney's goal against Montreal.


Sidney does the same thing everytime. The reason players like Datsyuk and Jokinen are successful in shootouts is because they try something different everytime they come down the ice. That was a sweet move by Datsyuk and the golie was left laying in a slump on the other side of the goal. That is what shootouts are supposed to be about.
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Postby ExPatriatePen on Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:00 am

Pitts wrote:
Kicksave wrote:I wouldn't rank that ahead of Sidney's goal against Montreal.


Sidney does the same thing everytime. The reason players like Datsyuk and Jokinen are successful in shootouts is because they try something different everytime they come down the ice. That was a sweet move by Datsyuk and the golie was left laying in a slump on the other side of the goal. That is what shootouts are supposed to be about.


What impressed me the most about that goal was that it was all stick handling. Watch his skates, his hips, his shoulders... he gives nothing away as to what he's going to do.

Very nice.
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Postby netwolf on Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:09 am

Pitts wrote:Sidney does the same thing everytime. The reason players like Datsyuk and Jokinen are successful in shootouts is because they try something different everytime they come down the ice. That was a sweet move by Datsyuk and the golie was left laying in a slump on the other side of the goal. That is what shootouts are supposed to be about.


Are you sure that's the case with Jokinen? I thought he basically has 2 (maybe 3) moves that he always does, but no one can stop them because he executes them so well. I've seen him do the "Forsberg stamp" move a couple of times.
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Postby Pitts on Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:52 am

netwolf wrote:
Pitts wrote:Sidney does the same thing everytime. The reason players like Datsyuk and Jokinen are successful in shootouts is because they try something different everytime they come down the ice. That was a sweet move by Datsyuk and the golie was left laying in a slump on the other side of the goal. That is what shootouts are supposed to be about.


Are you sure that's the case with Jokinen? I thought he basically has 2 (maybe 3) moves that he always does, but no one can stop them because he executes them so well. I've seen him do the "Forsberg stamp" move a couple of times.


No, I'm not. :oops: I haven't seen all his goals. Maybe his shot is just so fast? There has to be some reason he hasn't missed one yet!

I do think the key to shootout consistency is creativity though. I'm truly suprised Crosby doesn't try more deaking, faking and dragging. He certainly has the skills to be successful in the shootout, but doesn't seem to do much. I think, as with all his development so far this season, it's only a matter of time before he becomes a top shootout performer.

It's scary to think what this kid will be doing when he's 23, 25, 28!
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Postby Kicksave on Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:56 am

Reilly wrote:
Kicksave wrote:I wouldn't rank that ahead of Sidney's goal against Montreal.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


What a very insightful post, Reilly.

Anyway, I'm not arguing Datsyuk superiority over Crosby (as of right now) in the shootout but both goals, in my opinion, are on the same level. Both had the goalie going different directions and they put the puck up top shelf, with Crosby doing it on his backhand.

Take it as homerism if you wish, but thats my opinion. Deal with it.
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Postby Pitts on Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:13 pm

That Crosby goal was sweet. But, he's been stopped on every one since. He just needs to get in touch with his creative side! :D
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Postby Admin on Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:30 pm

By the way, if anyone's looking for the full NHL shootout results, they can be found at http://www2.nhl.com/stats/shootout_report.pdf .
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Postby Kovy27 on Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:53 pm

Marek Malik's goal was the best shoot out goal so far this season.

Dats goals have been really awesome...and yes, they do beat Crosby's on Montreal.
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Postby kovyman1127 on Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:29 pm

Was Datsyuk's goal even legal?

I know the rule of the penalty shot states that the "puck must be kept in a forward motion toward the goal once the shooter has crossed the blueline" on a penalty shot (and I"m assuming on a shootout shot as well).
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Postby netwolf on Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:45 pm

It was legal. If he has skated any further forward he whould have run into Vokoun and/or the net. You are allowed to deke, though you wouldn't know that from the Pens' attempts.

I believe that rule is in there to prevent a guy from skating in, stopping and moving all around to get the goalie to open up.
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Postby kovyman1127 on Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:57 pm

But...by "definition" the puck stopped moving toward the goal???
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Postby netwolf on Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:17 am

I have not seen exactly how the rule reads, but something has to be wrong with how you remember it or your interpretation of what you read. If the puck literally had to be going forward all the time, every shooter would have to keep the puck on whichever side they picked it up on, keep it there as they moved in, and shoot from that side, right?
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Postby kovyman1127 on Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:20 am

Rule 30 Penalty Shot



Any infraction of the rules which calls for a "PENALTY SHOT" shall be taken as follows:
The Referee shall ask to have announced over the public address system the name of the player designated by him or selected by the Team entitled to take the shot (as appropriate). He shall then place the puck on the center face-off spot and the player taking the shot will, on the instruction of the Referee, play the puck from there and shall attempt to score on the goalkeeper. The puck must be kept in motion towards the opponent's goal line and once it is shot, the play shall be considered complete. No goal can be scored on a rebound of any kind (an exception being the puck off the goal post, then the goalkeeper and then directly into the goal), and any time the puck crosses the goal line, the shot shall be considered complete.
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Postby netwolf on Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:35 am

I think that's an odd way for them to word it. If the puck is moving in any direction, but the player is moving towards the goal line (whether in a straight line or diagonal), then the puck is technically still going forward.

Does that make sense?
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Postby Pitts on Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:53 am

It doesn't matter which way the puck is moving, as long as its in motion. You cannot stop the puck, then begin moving it again.
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Re: Best Shootout goal

Postby The Snapshot on Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:14 am



I saw this same move by him in the game against Dallas, and it almost defies physics. Watched it a thousand times on Tivo, and the edge work is unbelievable. He basically needs to put all of his weight on his inside left edge, near his heel, while he is going full speed.

The beauty of the move is that is impossible to tell what he is doing until he cuts so hard to his right. The Goalies (Vokoun and Turco) both react to a forehand deke that is phenomenal, and then based on Datsyuk being one of the smoothest skaters and stickhandlers in the world, they are toast.

I have to disagree with anyone saying Crsoby's goal even comes close. I am a men's league player that can duplicate that move (albeit going "just a few" MPH slower). There is no way in the world I am capable of the edge work on my skates to even begin to copy that. I would venture to say that there are very few in the world who have the package to pull that one off.

Crosby's was a simple leg pump, forehand to backhand to topshelf. A tough shot, but the shot was the hardest part to execute. The main move is executed about 10 feet out.

The simplest evidence of just how great this move is, is that Datsyuk is basically finishing into an empty net on a shootout, while two of the best goalies in the world end up completely out of the crease going the other way from Datsyuk. I don't think I've ever seen a move executed later than that final deke and yet still completely losing the goalie. He was about a foot from Vokoun when he makes it.
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Postby kovyman1127 on Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:15 pm

"The puck must be kept in motion towards the opponent's goal line and once it is shot, the play shall be considered complete."

Sounds like the puck can't stop to me...they should really clear this up? I agree it is vague...but seriously....after he made that move...I would have challenged it.
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Postby ExPatriatePen on Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:25 pm

Probably violates the "letter" of the rule, but not the intent. Thus NO CALL.
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Postby Pitts on Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:25 pm

I just watched it another couple times through and I'm not getting where this accusation that the puck stopped moving is coming from. Someone explain where the puck stops going toward the goal.
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