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GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby Kovy27 on Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:19 am

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012 ... h-new-cba/

Wonder if the Isles and Habs asked for this.
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby columbia on Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:33 am

holmgren has to make a decision. bryz or pronger


lol
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby bhaw on Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:40 am

Kovy27 wrote:http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/11/report-gms-seek-one-time-cap-free-buyout-with-new-cba/

Wonder if the Isles and Habs asked for this.



Probably the Caps. Need to get that scrub AO off the books. :D

I wonder if the Isles can afford to buy out DiPietro. He has 8 or 9 years left. They may want to buy him out but that will be a nice chunk of change, which they don't really have.
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby columbia on Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:43 am

If they buyout DiPietro, he can move to a non-salaried, assistant GM postion.

Win/win
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby ExPatriatePen on Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:47 am

I hope this doesn't pass... What a joke. You made the deal, live with it.
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby the wicked child on Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:04 am

Crosby. :pop:
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby Fire0nice228 on Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:01 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:I hope this doesn't pass... What a joke. You made the deal, live with it.
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby JeffDFD on Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:39 pm

Pens should have done this with Neal last year















Spoiler:
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby KG on Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:53 pm

Vote no to that proposition....
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby shmenguin on Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:08 pm

Doesn't really make sense. It's more useful in the NBA since one player can take up much more space on a payroll.

The rangers seemed to already have figured out how to do this without the cba being touched with the wade redden situation, right?
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby Gaucho on Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:56 pm

Fire0nice228 wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:I hope this doesn't pass... What a joke. You made the deal, live with it.
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby Fire0nice228 on Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:16 pm

shmenguin wrote:Doesn't really make sense. It's more useful in the NBA since one player can take up much more space on a payroll.

The rangers seemed to already have figured out how to do this without the cba being touched with the wade redden situation, right?


Not every team can afford to bury an albatross deal in the minors like the rangers, although its funny how the teams that even have those contracts are the teams with huge money in the first place..TOR(Jeff Finger) NYR (Redden) Hawks (Huet) etc
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby the wicked child on Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:20 pm

Fire0nice228 wrote:
shmenguin wrote:Doesn't really make sense. It's more useful in the NBA since one player can take up much more space on a payroll.

The rangers seemed to already have figured out how to do this without the cba being touched with the wade redden situation, right?


Not every team can afford to bury an albatross deal in the minors like the rangers, although its funny how the teams that even have those contracts are the teams with huge money in the first place..TOR(Jeff Finger) NYR (Redden) Hawks (Huet) etc

Aren't buyouts usually like 60-75% of the remaining money at once? Only the teams with huge money could afford the buyouts in the first place.

I am very against this as it lets stupid GMs off the hook.
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby DropEmJayBird on Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:20 pm

Passing this sets the game back, you made rules, teams knew the rules, and made these deals anyway. I say no bailout
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby Kraftster on Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:02 pm

Had been hearing rumblings about some sort of amnesty provision. Hard to see it getting enough support among ownership.
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby Malkamaniac on Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:33 am

So all those GMS that made those long deals are now worried because the players didn't live up to potential to begin with. I'm sorry, but you made those deals, you get stuck with those deals.
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby Pensfan2010 on Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:37 am

I dont really care either way about the issue. It'll make some organizations make some tough decisions (TB & Lecavalier, Van & Luongo) It'd actually be pretty interesting.
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby Kaizer on Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:55 am

if it happens, make sure it cant be used on any existing contracts. that'll shut them up and force impulse buyers to stop making it rain on every tom, dick, and tyler kennedy that hits 20g in a season.
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby JS© on Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:19 am

the wicked child wrote:
Fire0nice228 wrote:
shmenguin wrote:Doesn't really make sense. It's more useful in the NBA since one player can take up much more space on a payroll.

The rangers seemed to already have figured out how to do this without the cba being touched with the wade redden situation, right?


Not every team can afford to bury an albatross deal in the minors like the rangers, although its funny how the teams that even have those contracts are the teams with huge money in the first place..TOR(Jeff Finger) NYR (Redden) Hawks (Huet) etc

Aren't buyouts usually like 60-75% of the remaining money at once? Only the teams with huge money could afford the buyouts in the first place.

I am very against this as it lets stupid GMs off the hook.


I think it's 2/3s of the contract's value spead through the remaining years.
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby Froggy on Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:01 am

Kaizer wrote:if it happens, make sure it cant be used on any existing contracts. that'll shut them up and force impulse buyers to stop making it rain on every tom, dick, and tyler kennedy that hits 20g in a season.

Yeah. Stick it to those players signing reasonable contracts at a manageable term instead of bumping up their value in free agency. Wait... What?
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby ExPatriatePen on Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:28 am

Well, if this becomes codified in the CBA in a manner where it's a reoccurring event every five years or so, then you really don't have a true "hard cap".

If you're a deep pocketed team you just sign your rivals superstar to a ridiculously long term deal that extends beyond his career expectations (think Yashin). Now it's a simple matter of waiting for the next buyout amnesty to roll around and the slate gets wiped clean.

Sort of defeats the purpose of a hard cap, which is to level the playing field among big and small markets.
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby columbia on Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:29 am

No, sir, I do not like it.
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby Sam's Drunk Dog on Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:34 pm

I hope the Pens fight to not have this rule applied.
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby Rylan on Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:35 pm

Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:I hope the Pens fight to not have this rule applied.


NHLPA would never agree to this. But even if if did happen, it would ruin everything the first lockout accomplished.
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Re: GMs seek a one-time cap free buyout clause with new CBA

Postby Pitt87 on Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:52 pm

Rylan wrote:
Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:I hope the Pens fight to not have this rule applied.


NHLPA would never agree to this. But even if if did happen, it would ruin everything the first lockout accomplished.


I'm not sure this adversely effects players. They get paid and play somewhere else. Seems like the benefit to players would also allow GM's to take a chance on a big deal for someone they may otherwise offer shorter terms/fewer $.

Its the NHL that should shut this down. Its more cap circumvention. Without looking a the rules, is there anything that would stop GMPH from paying off Bryz and resigning him?
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