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Re: AO

Postby MRandall25 on Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:09 am

Physical_Graffiti wrote:I refuse to believe that Kovy > Ovy


If you're talking here and now, 110% Kovy > Ovi
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Re: AO

Postby littlemoonboot on Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:20 am

Go Panthers
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Re: AO

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:42 am

MRandall25 wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:Then you are just flat out incorrect.



ORLY? Some top-notch D here.



So are you arguing that he is a bad defensive player or that he's a bad defenseman? He's one of the most valuable players in the world at his position.
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Re: AO

Postby brwi on Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:36 am

Idoit40fans wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:Then you are just flat out incorrect.


So are you arguing that he is a bad defensive player or that he's a bad defenseman? He's one of the most valuable players in the world at his position.


Are you talking about the same Green who couldn't make the Olympic squad because of his laziness and poor defensive work in his own end? I wouldn't put Green in the top-5 of NHL dmen and there is quite a gap between him and championship warriors like Chara and Lidstrom.

Green means a lot to the Caps during the regular season, but he's not an elite NHL dman. I'm not sure he has any more value to the team he plays for than a Doughty/LA, Keith/CHI, Enstrom/WPG, Boyles/SJ, Yandle/PHX or the aforementioned Chara and Lidstrom. Or Weber, though Suter is a slightly a little better overall, giving Nashville the kind of depth most teams do not have.
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Re: AO

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:59 am

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Re: AO

Postby André on Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:24 am

Green is not the strongest D-man in his own zone, and because of the material team Canada management had to toy with he was left of the olympic squad.

That doesn't mean he's not a terrific, very valuable player. He's a stud.
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Re: AO

Postby Fire0nice228 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:16 pm

There are alot of defensemen I'd take over Mike Green.. Theres probably 10 forwards I'd take over AO right now too
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Re: AO

Postby npv708 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:49 pm

Fire0nice228 wrote:There are alot of defensemen I'd take over Mike Green.. Theres probably 10 forwards I'd take over AO right now too


Well you'd be crazy. Theres at most 5 dimension in the league who are better than Green. Lidstrom, Letang, Keith, Weber, and Chara.
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Re: AO

Postby columbia on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:51 pm

It's the Vespa that lowers his reputation.
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Re: AO

Postby PensFanInDC on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:55 pm

npv708 wrote:
Fire0nice228 wrote:There are alot of defensemen I'd take over Mike Green.. Theres probably 10 forwards I'd take over AO right now too


Well you'd be crazy. Theres at most 5 dimension in the league who are better than Green. Lidstrom, Letang, Keith, Weber, and Chara.


Depends on what your team needs. If we didn't have Letang I would agree. Since we have Letang, to the Penguins, Orpik > Green
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Re: AO

Postby itissteeltime on Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:05 pm

Green and Letang on the PP with Malkin/Sid/Neal would be sillayyyyy
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Re: AO

Postby Malkamaniac on Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:06 pm

TarikElBashir GMGM on Ovi vs. Wideman at practice: "Actually that would have been a good one. That would have been the Rock star vs. the All-Star." #Caps
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Re: AO

Postby MRandall25 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:15 pm

Malkamaniac wrote:
TarikElBashir GMGM on Ovi vs. Wideman at practice: "Actually that would have been a good one. That would have been the Rock star vs. the All-Star." #Caps


BOOM! Roasted.
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Re: AO

Postby Malkamaniac on Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:18 pm

I took that as a pretty serious dig from the GM to AO.
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Re: AO

Postby Staggy on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:12 pm

npv708 wrote:
Fire0nice228 wrote:There are alot of defensemen I'd take over Mike Green.. Theres probably 10 forwards I'd take over AO right now too


Well you'd be crazy. Theres at most 5 dimension in the league who are better than Green. Lidstrom, Letang, Keith, Weber, and Chara.


I'd probably rather have Doughty, Karlsson, and Suter. You could make a case for a few others, too.
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Re: AO

Postby npv708 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:28 pm

Staggy wrote:
npv708 wrote:
Fire0nice228 wrote:There are alot of defensemen I'd take over Mike Green.. Theres probably 10 forwards I'd take over AO right now too


Well you'd be crazy. Theres at most 5 dimension in the league who are better than Green. Lidstrom, Letang, Keith, Weber, and Chara.


I'd probably rather have Doughty, Karlsson, and Suter. You could make a case for a few others, too.


Doughty isn't even in the top 25 of scoring for Dmen.
Karlsson is having a great year, still relatively unproven.
I like Suter, but Weber is better.

Mike Green is a 2time 70pt defenseman.
He's had terrible injury luck. (ie concussion from Orpik shot.)
When he's healthy he runs the caps offense. He's a big reason AO and the Caps are struggling.
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Re: AO

Postby MRandall25 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:33 pm

Why should offense matter?

He's a defenseman. He's supposed to play defense (which he is god-awful at). Everyone mentioned is solid defensively, but also has some offensive upside.

Mike Green is all O. Very little D.
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Re: AO

Postby npv708 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:37 pm

MRandall25 wrote:Why should offense matter?

He's a defenseman. He's supposed to play defense (which he is god-awful at). Everyone mentioned is solid defensively, but also has some offensive upside.

Mike Green is all O. Very little D.


Obviously offense matters more than defense. All top Dmen in NHL history are offensive Dmen. Orr, Coffey, Bourque, etc.
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Re: AO

Postby npv708 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:39 pm

Also, that's a pretty dated stereotype of Green ala Crosby is a diver or Geno is lazy. His defense has improved dramatically since 06.
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Re: AO

Postby columbia on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:45 pm

npv708 wrote:Also, that's a pretty dated stereotype of Green ala Crosby is a diver or Geno is lazy. His defense has improved dramatically since 06.


I'm assuming you watch a lot of Caps games.
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Re: AO

Postby itissteeltime on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:48 pm

MRandall25 wrote:Why should offense matter?

He's a defenseman.


Is this serious?
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Re: AO

Postby npv708 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:49 pm

columbia wrote:
npv708 wrote:Also, that's a pretty dated stereotype of Green ala Crosby is a diver or Geno is lazy. His defense has improved dramatically since 06.



I'm assuming you watch a lot of Caps games.

Yeah. Every one that doesn't conflict with a Pens game.
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Re: AO

Postby MRandall25 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:51 pm

itissteeltime wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:Why should offense matter?

He's a defenseman.


Is this serious?


I meant it more as "You sit here and talk about how he's a great offensive player but make no mention of his defensive abilities".

Either way, he's a D-man. Don't see people saying they love Brooks Orpik because he scores a goal or 2 every year (note: I realize Green and Orpik are different players, just using an example).

The reason why Green isn't as good as anyone of those guys mentioned is because while those guys are good offensively, they're at the same level defensively. Green isn't.
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Re: AO

Postby Rylan on Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:07 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
itissteeltime wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:Why should offense matter?

He's a defenseman.


Is this serious?


I meant it more as "You sit here and talk about how he's a great offensive player but make no mention of his defensive abilities".

Either way, he's a D-man. Don't see people saying they love Brooks Orpik because he scores a goal or 2 every year (note: I realize Green and Orpik are different players, just using an example).

The reason why Green isn't as good as anyone of those guys mentioned is because while those guys are good offensively, they're at the same level defensively. Green isn't.


Have you even seen Mike Green play in the past few years? He has certainly become a much better defenseman that warrants calling him a top 10 defender in the league.
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Re: AO

Postby MRandall25 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:09 pm

I haven't really seen it from him.
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