Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Forum for hockey posts that are not Penguins-related.

Moderators: Three Stars, dagny, pfim, netwolf

Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby jwmann2 on Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:42 am

Plans for New NHL Arena Finalized in Quebec

Hockey should be played in cities where it snows during the winter. It snows in Quebec.
jwmann2
 
Posts: 8
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:21 am

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby Nizzy on Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:05 am

I would really like to see it happen.

Montreal vs Quebec is even better than Montreal vs Toronto.
Nizzy
AHL'er
AHL'er
 
Posts: 2,614
Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:30 pm
Location: Steel City

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby JS© on Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:37 am

jwmann2 wrote:Plans for New NHL Arena Finalized in Quebec

Hockey should be played in cities where it snows during the winter. It snows in Quebec.


I'm sure Dallas ('99), Tampa Bay ('04), Carolina ('06) ,and Anaheim ('07) all agree with this, all having won the Cup more recently than Montreal and especially Toronto. ;)

But I do agree that it would be good to see a team like Quebec back in the league.
JS©
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 20,938
Joined: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:52 am
Location: Trying to avoid the mumps.

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby SolidSnake on Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:56 am

No love for Mexico City?
SolidSnake
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 19,496
Joined: Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:41 pm
Location: Why the hell are you dressed like a chicken?

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby Zach6668 on Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:12 am

jwmann2 wrote:Hockey should be played in cities where it snows during the winter. It snows in Quebec.


That's awfully naive and short-sighted.
Zach6668
ECHL'er
ECHL'er
 
Posts: 1,459
Joined: Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:29 pm
Location: Ottawa, ON, formerly Thunder Bay, ON

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby Malkamaniac on Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:19 am

Hockey teams should be prospected and relocated to other cities that haven't ever had a team before. Just because.
Malkamaniac
NHL Third Liner
NHL Third Liner
 
Posts: 34,354
Joined: Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:33 pm
Location: Who is Sims?

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby no name on Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:10 pm

Las Vegas... that just sounds like trouble.. any major sports franchise would have to want its players closely in tht city.

KC.. never thought of it as a hockey town, but if hockey survives, or should i say thrives in St. Louis, why not Kansas city..

Seattle: don't they already have 3 major sports teams??? can they support another.

Qubec: love the support you see in Winnipeg, can only imagine Qubec would have the same kind of fan base. More Canadian cities i think its fitting.

Sasakatoon: to small, nice idea but to small.

Hamilton: is "bald silly" still trying to land this, come on guy give it up.

Milwalkee: heard a rumor about a team hear since they have a minor league team that has good attendence.

Overall, it is kinda hard watching the game on TV and seeing so many empty seats in places like Dallas, Florida and Phoenix and i can't imagine it does much for the players either. Move them where they can survive and profit. There will always be bad teams but it takes time to rebuild, but its nice to know once you start getting back intot the playoff picture your fan base will return.

DIdn't Pittsburgh still get 12k plus fans a game when it was losing in the early 90s???
no name
AHL All-Star
AHL All-Star
 
Posts: 6,288
Joined: Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:19 pm

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby Pitt87 on Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:10 pm

Zach6668 wrote:
jwmann2 wrote:Hockey should be played in cities where it snows during the winter. It snows in Quebec.


That's awfully naive and short-sighted.


I think its your comment that is short-sighted. He didn't say it should ONLY be played where it snows.

Quebec is a reasonable place for an NHL team, but many of the arguments that people make against places like Hartford is that they are close to other NHL teams, which is also true here (~3 hrs. from MTL, I think). I don't necessarily agree with this, since rivalry would help you sell tickets.
Pitt87
AHL All-Star
AHL All-Star
 
Posts: 5,302
Joined: Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:33 am
Location: Admin wrote:Rooting for the Flyers is not allowed here. Seriously.

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby Rylan on Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:18 pm

Dallas shocks me with how bad attendance is this year. They have a good hockey team and generally Dallas was always packed for games. Anyone have a real reason why they have had such a downturn? I personally think its those putrid jerseys. Ok not really.
Rylan
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 16,082
Joined: Sat Aug 29, 2009 11:07 pm
Location: Dead and Without Love

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby relantel on Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:43 pm

jwmann2 wrote:Plans for New NHL Arena Finalized in Quebec

Hockey should be played in cities where it snows during the winter. It snows in Quebec.

It rained for the WC, and the ice is routinely bad in Pittsburgh. Should we now move the Penguins? :pop:
relantel
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 17,435
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:24 am
Location: The card table

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby Bathgate on Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:00 pm

I said this before in another thread, but if you dream of the US someday surpassing Canada as a world hockey power, then you don't want to see another NHL team depart this country for a Canadian city.
Bathgate
ECHL'er
ECHL'er
 
Posts: 1,012
Joined: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:16 am

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby Streaks House on Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:06 pm

Pitt87 wrote:Quebec is a reasonable place for an NHL team, but many of the arguments that people make against places like Hartford is that they are close to other NHL teams, which is also true here (~3 hrs. from MTL, I think). I don't necessarily agree with this, since rivalry would help you sell tickets.


The demand for tickets in the QC area would not be an issue despite being within 3 hours of Montreal. The Remparts of the QMJHL have been at the top of the list for attendance in the CHL over the past few seasons, drawing on average ~11K fans a game. In comparison, the next closest organization in terms of attendance in the CHL is the London Knights, who draw on average ~9K fans a game.
Streaks House
ECHL'er
ECHL'er
 
Posts: 1,488
Joined: Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:16 pm
Location: Ted Carrick's Table

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby Streaks House on Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:16 pm

Bathgate wrote:I said this before in another thread, but if you dream of the US someday surpassing Canada as a world hockey power, then you don't want to see another NHL team depart this country for a Canadian city.


The NHL relocating a franchise to Canada from a market like Phoenix, Florida or Long Island isn't going to make or break long term sustainable success for hockey in the United States.
Streaks House
ECHL'er
ECHL'er
 
Posts: 1,488
Joined: Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:16 pm
Location: Ted Carrick's Table

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby HockeyDaddy on Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:27 pm

no name wrote:Las Vegas... that just sounds like trouble.. any major sports franchise would have to want its players closely in tht city.

KC.. never thought of it as a hockey town, but if hockey survives, or should i say thrives in St. Louis, why not Kansas city..

Seattle: don't they already have 3 major sports teams??? can they support another.

Qubec: love the support you see in Winnipeg, can only imagine Qubec would have the same kind of fan base. More Canadian cities i think its fitting.

Sasakatoon: to small, nice idea but to small.

Hamilton: is "bald silly" still trying to land this, come on guy give it up.

Milwalkee: heard a rumor about a team hear since they have a minor league team that has good attendence.

Overall, it is kinda hard watching the game on TV and seeing so many empty seats in places like Dallas, Florida and Phoenix and i can't imagine it does much for the players either. Move them where they can survive and profit. There will always be bad teams but it takes time to rebuild, but its nice to know once you start getting back intot the playoff picture your fan base will return.

DIdn't Pittsburgh still get 12k plus fans a game when it was losing in the early 90s???


Pens were winning Cups in the early '90s. :pop:

But during the X-Generation days, I am pretty sure that attendance was in the 10-11k range. I sure miss the ticket prices I used to get!
HockeyDaddy
AHL'er
AHL'er
 
Posts: 2,530
Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:17 pm
Location: In Yo Face

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby Bathgate on Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:36 pm

Streaks House wrote:
Bathgate wrote:I said this before in another thread, but if you dream of the US someday surpassing Canada as a world hockey power, then you don't want to see another NHL team depart this country for a Canadian city.


The NHL relocating a franchise to Canada from a market like Phoenix, Florida or Long Island isn't going to make or break long term sustainable success for hockey in the United States.


Hockey in the US will never be as big as it is in Canada. To surpass Canada as a hockey power will require bringing our 10x population to bear (roughly 300 million vs 30 million). That requires a major league presence in all areas of the country. Atlanta and the Southeast is already lost. Losing Phoenix will be an abandonment of the Southwest. These areas might be comparible to the Pittsburgh region 25 years ago relative to hockey interest and youth hockey participation. Look how far Pittsburgh has come in producing good players and it may accelerate even more. And don't talk about the weather. It's too warm in Pittsburgh for having outdoor hockey rinks everywhere. It's all about indoor rinks. There won't be many more built in the Southeast.
Bathgate
ECHL'er
ECHL'er
 
Posts: 1,012
Joined: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:16 am

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby columbia on Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:00 pm

Bathgate wrote:I said this before in another thread, but if you dream of the US someday surpassing Canada as a world hockey power, then you don't want to see another NHL team depart this country for a Canadian city.


Who has this dream?
columbia
NHL Third Liner
NHL Third Liner
 
Posts: 49,326
Joined: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:13 pm
Location: If you don't have a seat at the table, you're probably on the menu.

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby Zach6668 on Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:26 pm

Pitt87 wrote:
Zach6668 wrote:
jwmann2 wrote:Hockey should be played in cities where it snows during the winter. It snows in Quebec.


That's awfully naive and short-sighted.


I think its your comment that is short-sighted. He didn't say it should ONLY be played where it snows.

Quebec is a reasonable place for an NHL team, but many of the arguments that people make against places like Hartford is that they are close to other NHL teams, which is also true here (~3 hrs. from MTL, I think). I don't necessarily agree with this, since rivalry would help you sell tickets.


That's fair, slightly mis-read it, but your interpretation of it is equally ridiculous. Not all snowy cities would be good hockey towns, heh. Either way, I would still like to see Quebec get a team back, well, I'm more indifferent to it, but I'm also all for giving new markets a proper shake at becoming hockey towns, which most of the unsuccessful southern teams simply haven't had.
Zach6668
ECHL'er
ECHL'er
 
Posts: 1,459
Joined: Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:29 pm
Location: Ottawa, ON, formerly Thunder Bay, ON

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby Nizzy on Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:09 am

columbia wrote:
Bathgate wrote:I said this before in another thread, but if you dream of the US someday surpassing Canada as a world hockey power, then you don't want to see another NHL team depart this country for a Canadian city.


Who has this dream?


I'm American and want nothing more for the NHL to see more teams in canada than anything. I know they will appreciate it more. The average american sports fan only fans about LeBron James and Peyton Manning.

It's so stupid to put all these teams in the sunbelt and expect them to start producing tones of young hockey players. Ice rinks aren't cheap. Its still very expensive to play ice hockey in leagues as a kid in Pittsburgh.
Nizzy
AHL'er
AHL'er
 
Posts: 2,614
Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:30 pm
Location: Steel City

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby Kaizer on Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:00 am

Seattle: don't they already have 3 major sports teams??? can they support another.


depends on if soccer counts. and in Seattle, it does, they draw 30k every Sounders game. If they can do that for Soccer, they would do it for pro Hockey.
Kaizer
AHL Hall of Famer
AHL Hall of Famer
 
Posts: 9,432
Joined: Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:02 am
Location: Crazy Town

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby Rylan on Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:12 am

I <3 the Sounders.
Rylan
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 16,082
Joined: Sat Aug 29, 2009 11:07 pm
Location: Dead and Without Love

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby no name on Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:11 am

Wonder what happened to the idea of Toronto getting a second team, they talked about that befor. heck if the Rangers and Islander can share NY i guess 2 teams can share Toronto.

I am not worried about the US becoming a hockey power. It will always be a nitch sport in the US. I would most like to see hockey be sucessful in any market it is in, U.S. or Canadian. The league as a whole will benifit from that.

Thanks for correcting me on the 90' 12k, i don't know what i was thinking. I was thinking of the early to mid 2000's.
no name
AHL All-Star
AHL All-Star
 
Posts: 6,288
Joined: Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:19 pm

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby bh on Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:13 pm

The best thing for the NHL is to be in places where there are frenzied fans. I just marvel at the Winnipe games. The players no doubt would want to play for a team that was supported well.
bh
AHL'er
AHL'er
 
Posts: 4,515
Joined: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:48 pm

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby Headshot77 on Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:57 pm

no name wrote:Wonder what happened to the idea of Toronto getting a second team, they talked about that befor. heck if the Rangers and Islander can share NY i guess 2 teams can share Toronto.

I am not worried about the US becoming a hockey power. It will always be a nitch sport in the US. I would most like to see hockey be sucessful in any market it is in, U.S. or Canadian. The league as a whole will benifit from that.

Thanks for correcting me on the 90' 12k, i don't know what i was thinking. I was thinking of the early to mid 2000's.

I dont think new york should have two teams.
Headshot77
Junior 'A'
Junior 'A'
 
Posts: 472
Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:02 am

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby MRandall25 on Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:11 pm

Headshot77 wrote:
no name wrote:Wonder what happened to the idea of Toronto getting a second team, they talked about that befor. heck if the Rangers and Islander can share NY i guess 2 teams can share Toronto.

I am not worried about the US becoming a hockey power. It will always be a nitch sport in the US. I would most like to see hockey be sucessful in any market it is in, U.S. or Canadian. The league as a whole will benifit from that.

Thanks for correcting me on the 90' 12k, i don't know what i was thinking. I was thinking of the early to mid 2000's.

I dont think new york should have two teams.


They technically have 3 (Newark is pretty much NYC)
MRandall25
NHL Fourth Liner
NHL Fourth Liner
 
Posts: 18,520
Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:11 pm
Location: BOBROVSKY!!!

Re: Could Quebec City get back the Nordiques?

Postby JeanPronovost on Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:08 am

Rylan wrote:Dallas shocks me with how bad attendance is this year. They have a good hockey team and generally Dallas was always packed for games. Anyone have a real reason why they have had such a downturn? I personally think its those putrid jerseys. Ok not really.


There are a few reasons. The team is overshadowed in the market because while they've been losing, we've had back-to-back AL pennant winners and an NBA champion. Fans turned on the previous owner, who let the Rangers and Stars go to pot because he got in over his head with the Liverpool soccer team. And people tell me Reunion Arena was a much more fun environment than American Airlines Center is. Reunion is a grass field now.

Their gate has been better lately because they're in a race. I think they have an up-and-coming team, good marketing plan, good broadcast crew -- fans will come back.

You're right -- in the 1990s you couldn't get in to see the Stars or the Avalanche. Now tickets are easy to come by for both.
JeanPronovost
Junior 'A'
Junior 'A'
 
Posts: 259
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 2:56 pm
Location: Cedar Hill, TX

Next

Return to NPR

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests


e-mail