Flyers will be scary for years to come

[Hawkeynut]

I've heard that "pens are going to be scary for years to come" in the past, look at where we are now.

Not saying we have a sucky team, but teams are never as good as the seem when they are winning and are never as bad as they are when they are loosing.

[GenoSidStaalsy]

While the Flyers are playing well, they are up 3-0 because the Penguins have all lost their heads, not due to anything the Flyers are and aren't doing. If the Pens were playing the way they've played most of the season, the Pens would not be getting destroyed like this, and might even be up in the series.

[Idoit40fans]

It didn't occur to me till today but the Flyers haven't been that good. They have had the same problems the Pens have had this series, but their goalie has just been bad as opposed to abysmal.

[Hawkeynut]

Like I said before.

The Flyers are not winning this series.

The pens are loosing it.

That's what frustrates me so much, it's one thing to be outplayed at your own game, but right now I have no clue what their game is. I am not calling for any heads.. I just think that win streak kinda ruined this team on some level.

[meecrofilm]

Sort of off-topic the way the discussion has gone, but still related to the OP: Morrow is maybe a year away.

[Tico Rick]

eh. jagr will be gone, talbot will stop caring, guys will become too expensive to keep, their goaltending is still hilarious, their defense isn't very good and they still have the ability to look like crap against other teams.

they're a very good team, but not a juggernaut

oh... and laviolette will run his course. you can't coach 1 team like that for 2 long before guys turn on you

Good points all. A lot of Pens' fans are now wishing we had a passionate coach like Laviolette or Torts rather than the cerebral Dan Bylsma, but players just tune those guys out after a few years.

[shmenguin]

but players just tune those guys out after a few years.

the same can be said for bylsma

[JS©]

We should judge the Flyers' future by a 3 game sample. 9 players playing with a point per game average? THAT'S JUST CRAZY! Rookies are scoring hat tricks, Talbot looks like he's on a pace to score 12 SHGs this postseason (look out 66!).

Because these insane scoring rates will never let up, right? I'm almost sure that the Flyers will continue to put up 7-8 goals per game like they were the reincarnation of the 1983 Oilers. I'm sure Jagr will continue to produce 54 pts as he progresses into his 40s. Will the Flyers even have enough room to re-sign a Jakub Voracek, considering they have other RFAs to sign and a few empty spots on D to fill?

[RisslingsMissingTeeth]

I wouldn't base this on that 3 game sample but also on the regular series games towards the end of the season when everyone was playing their system better. Personally, I disagree with people saying that the Pens are losing this series and that the Flyer's personnel is somehow not that good. When I watch these games, i see a well oiled machine beating a bunch of individuals. Sounds familiar right? Anyone remember the Red Wings? Give me a good team over a bunch of over-hyped individuals any day.

The Pens are getting beat. owned. hammered. butchered. outplayed. outhustled. outworked. you get the point. the better team is definitely winning this series.

[blurryhaze312]

Paul Martin?

I kid.

You're getting squat for Paul Martin right about now lolol

Well, he makes more than Staal. Does that count?

[Luckybreak]

but players just tune those guys out after a few years.

the same can be said for bylsma

Few coaches can successfully find the right balance. Babcock seems to both earn respect through cerebral coaching and express enough passion to keep the players in check. Not that I think Dan should be ousted but his message seems to have been lost somewhere...

[thehockeyguru]

Flyers have 3 mil in cap space going into next season and they will need to find a replacement for Jagr, resign Voracek who is a RFA, and replace both Carle and Kubina who are UFA's.

I don't see them being scary for years to come.

[columbia]

Is it?

DB's system no longer works in 2012?
They don't have the personnel to execute it?
The players have stopped buying in?

If it's 1 and/or 3, it's time for him to go.

[Malkamaniac]

Is it?

DB's system no longer works in 2012?
They don't have the personnel to execute it?
The players have stopped buying in?

If it's 1 and/or 3, it's time for him to go.

As much as I hate to see the the Jack Adams coach getting fired. There are a few things that I could see as the reasoning for him to get fired.

1) The power play. It's not Yeo's fault as it's still failing.

2) Players look like they've tuned him out. That's biggest cause for alarm/concern.

3) I remember reading way back when that Shero wanted "his" guy but went with Bylsma because his system was different than MT's. Now they're back to needing a guy that can preach responsibility with the puck and team defense again.

If Shero isn't happy with the way the team is playing and can't immediately fix the defense, the coach is the first to go.

[Antonio]

The Flyers will not get out of the second round. Strange as it sounds, they are not that good. Going down 3-0, 2-0, 3-1, 1-0, and allowing 12 goals in 3 playoffs games is only bested by allowing 20 goals in 3 games. They are built against our weaknesses. We actually most likely would have beaten the other 3 bottom seeds if we had played them (shows how important winning ONE more regular season game would have been).

[Antonio]

I've heard that "pens are going to be scary for years to come" in the past, look at where we are now.

Not saying we have a sucky team, but teams are never as good as the seem when they are winning and are never as bad as they are when they are loosing.

Oh don't kid yourself. The Pens have most definitely been scary this series.

[shmenguin]

1) The power play. It's not Yeo's fault as it's still failing.

until this series, i'd say the power play was a big success this year

[Malkamaniac]

1) The power play. It's not Yeo's fault as it's still failing.

until this series, i'd say the power play was a big success this year

Without Crosby yes. That's just not going to happen and unless they get two power plays, it's going to continue to be broke.

[thehockeyguru]

Rossi brought up an interesting point today on the X morning show. He said the reason that Bylsma's system hasn't been very effective this playoffs was because obstruction is back and appears to be here to stay. With the amount of obstruction thats going on the Pens forwards have no shot at winning the battles in the corners when they dump it in.

I know that's not the reason they are down 3-0, but it makes sense to as to why the Pens haven't had nearly the offensive zone time they've had in the past.

[Staggy]

It didn't occur to me till today but the Flyers haven't been that good. They have had the same problems the Pens have had this series, but their goalie has just been bad as opposed to abysmal.

Yeah, if they weren't facing a team that's playing with their collective heads up their asses, they'd be losing the series.

[Malkamaniac]

Rossi brought up an interesting point today on the X morning show. He said the reason that Bylsma's system hasn't been very effective this playoffs was because obstruction is back and appears to be here to stay. With the amount of obstruction thats going on the Pens forwards have no shot at winning the battles in the corners when they dump it in.

I know that's not the reason they are down 3-0, but it makes sense to as to why the Pens haven't had nearly the offensive zone time they've had in the past.

Then good God learn to freaking play a modified system where obstruction is going to be involved. It's no surprise that every year around play-off time teams start playing tighter defense and the refs start getting more lenient.

[Avyran]

1) The power play. It's not Yeo's fault as it's still failing.

until this series, i'd say the power play was a big success this year

This series has been very different from most of the season (though I guess you could see it starting at the end of the year).

[Malkamaniac]

The fact that two of the best players on the planet can't play together on the same power play is abysmal, and taking one off the power play is all but an admission that you can't figure out how to make it work.

[thehockeyguru]

Rossi brought up an interesting point today on the X morning show. He said the reason that Bylsma's system hasn't been very effective this playoffs was because obstruction is back and appears to be here to stay. With the amount of obstruction thats going on the Pens forwards have no shot at winning the battles in the corners when they dump it in.

I know that's not the reason they are down 3-0, but it makes sense to as to why the Pens haven't had nearly the offensive zone time they've had in the past.

Then good God learn to freaking play a modified system where obstruction is going to be involved. It's no surprise that every year around play-off time teams start playing tighter defense and the refs start getting more lenient.

I agree. The problem is the Pens have two guys getting into forecheck late and that leaves the long stretch pass there for the taking. The fact that the coaching staff hasn't changed their philosophy is whats mindboggling.

[shmenguin]

ironically, increased obstruction has caused our defensemen and forwards to roam around wherever the hell they want. interesting theory.