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New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby TheHammer24 on Tue May 15, 2012 12:19 pm

Is it really that pandemic right now? I don't feel like goal scoring is that bad, and I feel like the better team still typically wins.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/h ... le2428085/

The attempt to unclog the area in front of the goalie would break the glassy-eyed sameness of what we have now – a game dominated by netminding and team defence, in which virtually every goal seems to come off a cycle down low and requires that the puck carom to a player in a shooting position, usually off a deflected pass. There is so much more randomness and luck involved in scoring a goal than pure offensive brilliance and it’s not because of a lack of skill. The skilled players just don’t have enough room to demonstrate those talents.


Suggests limiting slot to two defenders like the 3-second rule in basketball.
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby Kraftster on Tue May 15, 2012 12:38 pm

It got pretty bad down the stretch this year -- offense/shot blocking that is. Didn't really affect my enjoyment of the games, though. I can't see any way that a rule like that is even remotely practical.
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby shmenguin on Tue May 15, 2012 12:45 pm

i don't think there's nearly enough evidence to make conclusions on this shot blocking thing
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby Juice on Tue May 15, 2012 12:49 pm

dmen should just start firing up high at the guys in front of the net if they want to stand there, friendly fire be damned
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby columbia on Tue May 15, 2012 12:49 pm

I dont think any fan would think twice about shot blocking, if it's helping the team to win.

This seems a non issue and there are rules - if enforced - which would increase scoring.
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby Rylan on Tue May 15, 2012 12:55 pm

2 v 2 hockey. Scoring would go up.

Evidence:

Spoiler:
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby Malkamaniac on Tue May 15, 2012 1:07 pm

Shot blocking is essential. It's on the offense to figure out how to get past it.
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby TheHammer24 on Tue May 15, 2012 1:17 pm

I just never felt like it was a problem. I've never once thought, Damn so much shot blocking this game!
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue May 15, 2012 1:20 pm

SUrprising that they'd want the Rangers style eliminated. Based on what I watched of the game last night, the NHL seems to want them to win. :pop:
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby Malkamaniac on Tue May 15, 2012 1:20 pm

TheHammer24 wrote:I just never felt like it was a problem. I've never once thought, Damn so much shot blocking this game!


I come away admiring those guys for laying their bodies on the line over it being a nuisance to the game. If they want to increase scoring just remove defenders from the game.

Better yet, enforce what they wanted to enforce after the lockout instead of allowing clutch and grab back into it.
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby Rylan on Tue May 15, 2012 1:25 pm

Malkamaniac wrote:
TheHammer24 wrote:I just never felt like it was a problem. I've never once thought, Damn so much shot blocking this game!


I come away admiring those guys for laying their bodies on the line over it being a nuisance to the game. If they want to increase scoring just remove defenders from the game.

Better yet, enforce what they wanted to enforce after the lockout instead of allowing clutch and grab back into it.


Nah too easy. MOAR RULEZ!!!
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby TheHammer24 on Tue May 15, 2012 1:27 pm

Malkamaniac wrote:
TheHammer24 wrote:I just never felt like it was a problem. I've never once thought, Damn so much shot blocking this game!


I come away admiring those guys for laying their bodies on the line over it being a nuisance to the game. If they want to increase scoring just remove defenders from the game.

Better yet, enforce what they wanted to enforce after the lockout instead of allowing clutch and grab back into it.

Yeah. A guy going down to block a shot elicits a cheer from me; I find it exciting.
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby Kraftster on Tue May 15, 2012 2:22 pm

You guys really don't notice it? Its not so much "shot blocking" as it is five guys between the hashmarks and the goal line crowding the front of the net. The Montreal series a couple years ago should be a pretty first hand example. More and more teams are doing it. I don't want to legislate it out of the game, but I definitely notice it.
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby Rylan on Tue May 15, 2012 2:25 pm

Kraftster wrote:You guys really don't notice it? Its not so much "shot blocking" as it is five guys between the hashmarks and the goal line crowding the front of the net. The Montreal series a couple years ago should be a pretty first hand example. More and more teams are doing it. I don't want to legislate it out of the game, but I definitely notice it.


I just can't see a way for the game itself to evolve to beat it. That is the only thing about that collapsing defense is that it forces the play outside which is nigh impossible to break through.
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby TheHammer24 on Tue May 15, 2012 2:26 pm

I recall Montreal and NYR this season, but I don't feel it is as pandemic as the author suggests.
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby Rylan on Tue May 15, 2012 2:29 pm

TheHammer24 wrote:I recall Montreal and NYR this season, but I don't feel it is as pandemic as the author suggests.


Flyers did it in Game 6 against the Pens.
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby Kraftster on Tue May 15, 2012 2:55 pm

Rylan wrote:
TheHammer24 wrote:I recall Montreal and NYR this season, but I don't feel it is as pandemic as the author suggests.


Flyers did it in Game 6 against the Pens.


Yep, I was going to say this too.
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby Malkamaniac on Tue May 15, 2012 2:57 pm

I considered that Montreal series to be something that I can't even go with purely because of how strongly Halak played. They collapsed there defense and did a great job of shutting Malkin and Crosby down.

I don't want the game to change because a certain team can beat another team by playing defense. The clutch and grab thing I think magnifies the shot blocking and good defense. That's allowing everything in the game to slow down at certain points, and the refs have just stopped calling it.
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby Malkamaniac on Tue May 15, 2012 3:00 pm

I just think if you want to increase scoring, stop the clutch and grab, reduce goalie pad size again and enlarge the nets.

Taking the trap out of the game or changing the rules because a team can't score against another one is crazy to me. It kind of pees on the face of everything a team tries to do when it influences and places a system for it's players to play.
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby Rylan on Tue May 15, 2012 3:08 pm

Malkamaniac wrote:I just think if you want to increase scoring, stop the clutch and grab, reduce goalie pad size again and enlarge the nets.

Taking the trap out of the game or changing the rules because a team can't score against another one is crazy to me. It kind of pees on the face of everything a team tries to do when it influences and places a system for it's players to play.


While I agree to an extent, I don't want the nets bigger. I think more than anything call penalties like they did immediately post lockout and again scoring will increase. Refs need to do their job effectively. And personally, that means 1 ref systems.
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby TheHammer24 on Tue May 15, 2012 3:18 pm

What benefit is there from 1-ref systems?
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby Rylan on Tue May 15, 2012 3:19 pm

TheHammer24 wrote:What benefit is there from 1-ref systems?


Not afraid of stepping on another ref's toes.
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby TheHammer24 on Tue May 15, 2012 3:26 pm

Rylan wrote:
TheHammer24 wrote:What benefit is there from 1-ref systems?


Not afraid of stepping on another ref's toes.

That's a poor empirical observation, in my opinion. I think two refs actually increases the frequency of penalties, as the number of possible penalty killers doubles.
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby Rylan on Tue May 15, 2012 3:29 pm

TheHammer24 wrote:
Rylan wrote:
TheHammer24 wrote:What benefit is there from 1-ref systems?


Not afraid of stepping on another ref's toes.

That's a poor empirical observation, in my opinion. I think two refs actually increases the frequency of penalties, as the number of possible penalty killers doubles.


I don't. I think 2 refs are a huge reason for the inconsistency we see in refs. There are 2 differing philosophies on the ice as to what is and isn't a penalty. 1 ref would clarify penalties more.

As for toe stepping, I think the Briere offsides is an example of refs not overruling a call despite being in position.
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Re: New Rules to Eliminate Shot Blocking?

Postby TheHammer24 on Tue May 15, 2012 3:38 pm

Biere was an offisides, and you need two linesmen. Moreover, the other linesman was at the far blue line, so not in position to make the call.

I reffed. There's no fear of toe-stepping, believe me. Every ref does have their own style, and only one is needed to call a penalty. So two-ref systems increase penalties, in my opinion.
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