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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby count2infinity on Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:36 am

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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby AlexPKeaton on Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:38 am

HockeyDaddy wrote:I hate the Flyers, Paul Holmgren is the devil, and I hate offer sheets. Now that that is out of the way:

I have never heard that Weber wants out of Nashville. I do know that he was extremely upset that Suter did not re-up with the Preds and that situation could have caused him to consider other options. This is an interesting situation. The Flyers could have done the Preds a favor by getting him to sign that OS, all they have to do is match it and he is a Pred for life. I am not sure that it was a great move be Weber to sign it, if he knows that Nashville will match. His loyalty to the team that he captains can now be called into question.


Do they have to match the yearly cap hit or the actual structure of the contract? The yearly cap hit for them should be a no brainer, but they might not have the money up front that the Flyers are throwing at him.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby Pavel Bure on Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:41 am

Flyers have this cap thing down. Super long deals, good cap hits, if the guy gets injured he goes on LTIR and boom no more cap hit.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby Trip McNeely on Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:41 am

I really still think they have to match. They are currently 14 million under the cap floor. If they don't sign Weber, how do they even get close to getting to that number? Offer Semin 1 year 14 millions dollars?
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby Pitt87 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:42 am

shmenguin wrote:
AlexPKeaton wrote:A 14 year deal sounds like it should be invalidated by Betman honestly.


Its basically the same as Sid's deal, no?

At first glance, it seems like Nashville should just pack up their stuff and leave the league if they don't match this.


I remember reading somewhere (twitter maybe so FWIW...) that Poile would match any offer for Weber. Sounds like a gambit by GMPH to force someone's hand. They should make him eat this and have virtually no good picks to support their system.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby HockeyDaddy on Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:43 am

AlexPKeaton wrote:
HockeyDaddy wrote:I hate the Flyers, Paul Holmgren is the devil, and I hate offer sheets. Now that that is out of the way:

I have never heard that Weber wants out of Nashville. I do know that he was extremely upset that Suter did not re-up with the Preds and that situation could have caused him to consider other options. This is an interesting situation. The Flyers could have done the Preds a favor by getting him to sign that OS, all they have to do is match it and he is a Pred for life. I am not sure that it was a great move be Weber to sign it, if he knows that Nashville will match. His loyalty to the team that he captains can now be called into question.


Do they have to match the yearly cap hit or the actual structure of the contract? The yearly cap hit for them should be a no brainer, but they might not have the money up front that the Flyers are throwing at him.


From what I understand, the Preds only option is matching the exact same offer that he signed with the Flyers.

Here is another kicker: Weber has played 7 seasons in the league. This would take him to his 21st season. If he retires before that, his contract would come off the books. The amount of years is really no risk.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby farnham16 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:44 am

The Preds have to match this. They will lose all their fans if they don't. They simply can't afford to lose both Weber and Suter in the same offseason.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby Pitt87 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:45 am

HockeyDaddy wrote:
AlexPKeaton wrote:
HockeyDaddy wrote:I hate the Flyers, Paul Holmgren is the devil, and I hate offer sheets. Now that that is out of the way:

I have never heard that Weber wants out of Nashville. I do know that he was extremely upset that Suter did not re-up with the Preds and that situation could have caused him to consider other options. This is an interesting situation. The Flyers could have done the Preds a favor by getting him to sign that OS, all they have to do is match it and he is a Pred for life. I am not sure that it was a great move be Weber to sign it, if he knows that Nashville will match. His loyalty to the team that he captains can now be called into question.


Do they have to match the yearly cap hit or the actual structure of the contract? The yearly cap hit for them should be a no brainer, but they might not have the money up front that the Flyers are throwing at him.


From what I understand, the Preds only option is matching the exact same offer that he signed with the Flyers.

Here is another kicker: Weber has played 7 seasons in the league. This would take him to his 21st season. If he retires before that, his contract would come off the books. The amount of years is really no risk.


Thats why it should be invalidated; that was the problem with the Kovachoo contract...
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby HockeyDaddy on Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:45 am

Pitt87 wrote:
shmenguin wrote:
AlexPKeaton wrote:A 14 year deal sounds like it should be invalidated by Betman honestly.


Its basically the same as Sid's deal, no?

At first glance, it seems like Nashville should just pack up their stuff and leave the league if they don't match this.


I remember reading somewhere (twitter maybe so FWIW...) that Poile would match any offer for Weber. Sounds like a gambit by GMPH to force someone's hand. They should make him eat this and have virtually no good picks to support their system.


Rumor is that NSH was working with a few teams to trade Weber, PHI lost out and quickly signed him to this deal so that a deal with another team could not be completed.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby HockeyDaddy on Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:47 am

Pitt87 wrote:
HockeyDaddy wrote:
AlexPKeaton wrote:
HockeyDaddy wrote:I hate the Flyers, Paul Holmgren is the devil, and I hate offer sheets. Now that that is out of the way:

I have never heard that Weber wants out of Nashville. I do know that he was extremely upset that Suter did not re-up with the Preds and that situation could have caused him to consider other options. This is an interesting situation. The Flyers could have done the Preds a favor by getting him to sign that OS, all they have to do is match it and he is a Pred for life. I am not sure that it was a great move be Weber to sign it, if he knows that Nashville will match. His loyalty to the team that he captains can now be called into question.


Do they have to match the yearly cap hit or the actual structure of the contract? The yearly cap hit for them should be a no brainer, but they might not have the money up front that the Flyers are throwing at him.


From what I understand, the Preds only option is matching the exact same offer that he signed with the Flyers.

Here is another kicker: Weber has played 7 seasons in the league. This would take him to his 21st season. If he retires before that, his contract would come off the books. The amount of years is really no risk.



Thats why it should be invalidated; that was the problem with the Kovachoo contract...


How long did it take the Kovachoo contract to be canceled? Bettman better work quick...last I heard he was kind of busy. :)
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby Trip McNeely on Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:47 am

farnham16 wrote:The Preds have to match this. They will lose all their fans if they don't. They simply can't afford to lose both Weber and Suter in the same offseason.


I think this, and the fact they are so far away from the cap floor, they must match it.

What are the penalties for being below the cap floor?
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby HockeyDaddy on Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:59 am

Giroux is a RFA in 2014. Just sayin'.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby Big Easy Pens Fan on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:00 am

HockeyDaddy wrote:
Pitt87 wrote:
shmenguin wrote:
AlexPKeaton wrote:A 14 year deal sounds like it should be invalidated by Betman honestly.


Its basically the same as Sid's deal, no?

At first glance, it seems like Nashville should just pack up their stuff and leave the league if they don't match this.


I remember reading somewhere (twitter maybe so FWIW...) that Poile would match any offer for Weber. Sounds like a gambit by GMPH to force someone's hand. They should make him eat this and have virtually no good picks to support their system.


Rumor is that NSH was working with a few teams to trade Weber, PHI lost out and quickly signed him to this deal so that a deal with another team could not be completed.


Sounds like Philthy. "If we can't have him no one can." Except Nashville.

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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby Digitalgypsy66 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:04 am

Interesting: if the Preds match, they can't trade him for a year. The Flyers must have slipped a NMC in that contract. Or is that a part of an offer sheet contract?
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby pfim on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:04 am

It's a simple matter of whether or not Nashville has the cash to pay the bonuses. It doesn't seem all that likely to be honest, they will likely need to go out and borrow that money.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:06 am

Pitt87 wrote:
shmenguin wrote:
AlexPKeaton wrote:A 14 year deal sounds like it should be invalidated by Betman honestly.


Its basically the same as Sid's deal, no?

At first glance, it seems like Nashville should just pack up their stuff and leave the league if they don't match this.


I remember reading somewhere (twitter maybe so FWIW...) that Poile would match any offer for Weber. Sounds like a gambit by GMPH to force someone's hand. They should make him eat this and have virtually no good picks to support their system.


Losing a couple firsts, a second and third would be worth it. Is that value high enough for 4 firsts? Either way, it would be worth it for sure.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:07 am

HockeyDaddy wrote:Giroux is a RFA in 2014. Just sayin'.


I would bet a whole lot of money that he is never an RFA.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby HockeyDaddy on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:09 am

Idoit40fans wrote:
HockeyDaddy wrote:Giroux is a RFA in 2014. Just sayin'.


I would bet a whole lot of money that he is never an RFA.


I would too, however, that year they will also need to work out deals with Schenn and Couturier.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby pens2005 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:11 am

Idoit40fans wrote:
Pitt87 wrote:
shmenguin wrote:
AlexPKeaton wrote:A 14 year deal sounds like it should be invalidated by Betman honestly.


Its basically the same as Sid's deal, no?

At first glance, it seems like Nashville should just pack up their stuff and leave the league if they don't match this.


I remember reading somewhere (twitter maybe so FWIW...) that Poile would match any offer for Weber. Sounds like a gambit by GMPH to force someone's hand. They should make him eat this and have virtually no good picks to support their system.


Losing a couple firsts, a second and third would be worth it. Is that value high enough for 4 firsts? Either way, it would be worth it for sure.


I'm confused with what you're saying. Is it 4 firsts or would the flyers be giving up 2 firsts, 1 second, and 1 third?
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:12 am

HockeyDaddy wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:
HockeyDaddy wrote:Giroux is a RFA in 2014. Just sayin'.


I would bet a whole lot of money that he is never an RFA.


I would too, however, that year they will also need to work out deals with Schenn and Couturier.


Craig Adams will need a contract worked out at the same time as Malkin is eligible to be negotiated with. It sounds like an extreme example but its not.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby brwi on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:16 am

Digitalgypsy66 wrote:Interesting: if the Preds match, they can't trade him for a year. The Flyers must have slipped a NMC in that contract. Or is that a part of an offer sheet contract?


It's part of matching any offer sheet that the team can't trade the player for one year.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby pens#1 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:20 am

How anyone can think 7+ a year for Weber is bad blows my mind. Also about the Flyers losing 4 picks and having no depth, is that what we said when they traded for Pronger- they now have a younger team then most in the league. This is the type of move Shero should have made. Proactive rather than reactive.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby HockeyDaddy on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:22 am

Idoit40fans wrote:
HockeyDaddy wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:
HockeyDaddy wrote:Giroux is a RFA in 2014. Just sayin'.


I would bet a whole lot of money that he is never an RFA.


I would too, however, that year they will also need to work out deals with Schenn and Couturier.


Craig Adams will need a contract worked out at the same time as Malkin is eligible to be negotiated with. It sounds like an extreme example but its not.


My point is, if I'm Nashville and upset with Holmgren's antics, I would send an offer sheet to one of their young players as soon as I can. If Nashville has cap space that could offer Schenn or Couturier an above value contract for a few years...of course, I am not sure if either of those guys would be worth giving up picks for.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby llipgh2 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:27 am

Flyer scum.

Smart move on their part. But they are still scum.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby steve784 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:29 am

This really, really scares me.
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