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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby jprolley on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:40 am

the thing about so many super long deals is that eventually you're gonna have 35+ year old players past their prime carrying $7-$8 million cap hits.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby shafnutz05 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:42 am

jprolley wrote:the thing about so many super long deals is that eventually you're gonna have 35+ year old players past their prime carrying $7-$8 million cap hits.


True, doesn't help us for the next decade though.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:43 am

jprolley wrote:the thing about so many super long deals is that eventually you're gonna have 35+ year old players past their prime carrying $7-$8 million cap hits.

You're giving these deals to players that you think are elite, looking for Lidstroms.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby steve784 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:43 am

jprolley wrote:the thing about super long deals is that eventually you're gonna have 35+ year old players past their prime carrying $7-$8 million cap hits.


Yeah but at the rate salaries are going is that really going to be that high? Matt Carle just got 5.5.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby jprolley on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:57 am

@BizNasty2point0 Owners wants 25% roll back on salaries but are handing out 100 million dollar deals like it's going out of style. Figure that one out. #NHL
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby shmenguin on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:58 am

i'd like to rag on the flyers here, but:

-they didn't do anything wrong or bush league or any of that. this is an honest move.
-except for bryzgalov, they haven't screwed the pooch with any of their big crazy moves in the past. i wish these things would start biting them in the A, but homer seems to always have escape routes
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby shafnutz05 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:00 am

Yup, great move by the flyers.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby jprolley on Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:02 am

the pens can't stop a friggin timonen slapper on the pp.....how on earth would they stop weber's
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby Myriad on Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:03 am

This makes me feel really uncomfortable as a Pens fan, because if the first year truly is 26m or whatev I don't know whether Nashville has the $$ to match
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby steve784 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:24 am

Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper

If #Preds match #Flyers offer, they must keep him 1 calendar yr before trying to trade him. Oh and pay him 27M in meantime. #nothappening
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby columbia on Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:27 am

Holmgren explaining the move:

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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby columbia on Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:29 am

What's he going to do, if Pronger actually recovers?
http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=24
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby farnham16 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:34 am

Nashville will match.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby steve784 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:36 am

columbia wrote:What's he going to do, if Pronger actually recovers?
http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=24


He won't.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby steve784 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:36 am

farnham16 wrote:Nashville will match.


I thought this for sure as well. The more I read, the less confident I am in that.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby DelPen on Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:05 am

Guys, Weber is not getting $26 million up front. He can't under the current salary cap. Even with signing bonuses no player can earn more than $14.04 million. That $26 million has to be split between this year and next year on July 1 which technically means he will gte paid $26 million in less than one full calender year.

If this was the case other teams would be offer sheeting every RFA from a small team with HUGE up front costs.

Tyler Myers is set to make $12 million this year. But his cap hit is only $5.5 million. How? He had a $10 million signing bonus for July 1, 2012 to push him to the upper limit which was $12.86 million when he signed the extension last year.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby topshelf on Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:05 am

Nashville's defensive core last year would be better than the Flyers core this year (with Weber), AND Nashville's goaltending is leaps and bounds better than Philly's. How did Nashville fair in the playoffs?
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby MrBrightside on Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:10 am

topshelf wrote:Nashville's defensive core last year would be better than the Flyers core this year (with Weber), AND Nashville's goaltending is leaps and bounds better than Philly's. How did Nashville fair in the playoffs?


Nashville didn't have Giroux, Hartnell, Briere, etc., up front. Bad comparison.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby Pitts on Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:16 am

Here is a very good breakdown/scenario of the Weber offer:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?blogger_id=45

Looks like the next move may actually be a trade between Philly and Nashville to work out details. Philly will need some cap relief to fit in Weber and Nashville would like some bodies back in return. I think Weber will be playing in Philly this season.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby columbia on Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:20 am

Pitts wrote:Here is a very good breakdown/scenario of the Weber offer:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?blogger_id=45

Looks like the next move may actually be a trade between Philly and Nashville to work out details. Philly will need some cap relief to fit in Weber and Nashville would like some bodies back in return. I think Weber will be playing in Philly this season.


That's an interesting technique: forcing a trade.
While legal (I guess), that won't make Holmgren very popular.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby pens2005 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:24 am

That shouldn't be allowed.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby Kraftster on Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:25 am

Why would Nashville not match this? The upfront cash cannot really be an issue or, as has been said, they should just fold. They spent nearly to the cap last season and with this signing will still have work to do to get to the floor. I really doubt that they will not be able to sign him.

I think this is either:

(1) Weber wants out and believes from his negotiations that Nashville can't match upfront cash.

(2) Weber wants to stay and is using this as leverage in his negotiation with Nashville to get the upfront cash that he wants that he was having trouble getting otherwise.

(3) A block by Philadelphia to prevent other teams in the East from adding Weber by offering a deal they know that Nashville will match (with perhaps some slim outside hope that the upfront cash prevents that from happening).
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby HockeyDaddy on Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:35 am

Pitts wrote:Here is a very good breakdown/scenario of the Weber offer:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?blogger_id=45

Looks like the next move may actually be a trade between Philly and Nashville to work out details. Philly will need some cap relief to fit in Weber and Nashville would like some bodies back in return. I think Weber will be playing in Philly this season.

Very interesting breakdown. Thanks for the link.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby newarenanow on Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:35 am

I wish I was good at sports.
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Re: Flyers offer sheet Weber

Postby topshelf on Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:41 am

newarenanow wrote:I wish I was good at sports.
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