Hartnell extended

[viva la ben]

6 years 33 28.8 million

He is 30 years old. Much better deal than the first rumored one.

[Pitts]

awesome.

[columbia]

"The clown shoes are on me!"

[viva la ben]

So how many years of this contract will be LTIRed?

[viva la ben]

"I give Jaromir Jagr a lot of credit for my success," Hartnell said. "Being focused more on hockey, getting upstairs in the gym, getting ready for practice. I was more into practice with him than I was in my career. I'll take a lot of that, and the success we had, and take a lot of that going forward."

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=640113

[Pavel Bure]

Darn would've loved to see him here if he made it to FA

[Fire0nice228]

Darn would've loved to see him here if he made it to FA

Would've thrown up in my mouth quite a bit.

[MRandall25]

And somehow the Flyers still have the cap space?

[Rylan]

I actually like Hartnell. I would have loved to have him here in Pittsburgh.

[Pavel Bure]

Darn would've loved to see him here if he made it to FA

Would've thrown up in my mouth quite a bit.

25/25 power forward, yes please.

[shafnutz05]

Ed Snider has got to be popular in NHL owner circles right now.

[dman66]

I just don't get how all of these players are signing with the Flyers when a salary roll back is probable. Why limit your salary? Not only that, but they will most likely be traded away in three years anyway, though I guess they will be getting paid regardless. Just seems like the Flyer's do whatever they want and are never over the cap, never have to give players away, or never lose any key players. So frustrating.

[Pitts]

No movement clause for Hartnell. Yes!

[canaan]

is it 6/33 or 6/28.5?

[Idoit40fans]

No brainer. Can't believe it took this long for him to get this contract.

[HockeyDaddy]

No movement clause for Hartnell. Yes!

That's the best part of this deal. Not surprising though. Virtually every contract has some sort of NMC that is later negotiated out.

[steelhammer]

Look forward to this contract blowing up in their faces. Good luck being motivated by Jagr when he is no longer there.

[Mr. Colby]

Great deal for both sides. Hartnell is a force.

[Pitts]

Great deal for both sides. Hartnell is a force.

I agree with steelhammer -- he will never have the numbers he had last year again. In fact, I will predict his numbers go down each year for the next 6. He is not the type of player you give a 6 year deal to at the age of 30.

[JoseCuervo]

Just seems like the Flyer's do whatever they want and are never over the cap, never have to give players away, or never lose any key players. So frustrating.

They've been using a pretty similar model to build their team for a while now. I don't understand how it's frustrating because it hasn't worked.

[shmenguin]

Great deal for both sides. Hartnell is a force.

I agree with steelhammer -- he will never have the numbers he had last year again. In fact, I will predict his numbers go down each year for the next 6. He is not the type of player you give a 6 year deal to at the age of 30.

hartnell's game should stay pretty steady as he ages. athleticism isn't exactly the foundation of why he's successful.

this deal is fine for the flyers - not great. not bad. there's no need to bring the CBA stuff into the discussion here.

[steelhammer]

Great deal for both sides. Hartnell is a force.

I agree with steelhammer -- he will never have the numbers he had last year again. In fact, I will predict his numbers go down each year for the next 6. He is not the type of player you give a 6 year deal to at the age of 30.

hartnell's game should stay pretty steady as he ages. athleticism isn't exactly the foundation of why he's successful.

this deal is fine for the flyers - not great. not bad. there's no need to bring the CBA stuff into the discussion here.

What would you describe as "steady"? He has 11 seasons in the league and his career stats, projected to 82 games/year, are 21.6 goals and 46.1 points. Aside from this season, he only has 1 other season where he scored more than 49 points and/or 25 goals (his 30/30 season of 08-09). His career shooting pct is 11.3%, but he hit 15.9% this last season. Which one is more likely?

Basically, they signed him to a contract at a value equal to his career best season that he produced at 29 years old. His career numbers suggest that he is more likely to produce at a lower rate, doubtful that he could equal his peak output of his last season and very unlikely to go beyond that.

Add to that, he cites his training/fitness as one of the reason why he had his best season. Once that goes, he goes.

[Mr. Colby]

Yo. They did not sign him to a contract "at a value equal to his career best season".

37 goals and 67 points gets you more than 4.75 per.

He's better than Ryan Malone, and only making 250,000 more and Malone signed his deal when the cap was like 20 million less.

This is a good deal no matter how you slice it. Saying otherwise stems only from your hatred of the organization and player

[Mr. Colby]

6 years might be a tad long for a 30 year old that plays his style, but it's evident that Hartnell traded money for term.

[Fire0nice228]

Great analysis Steelhammer, although if he stays with Giroux for any length of time he could put up pretty good numbers. But as far as throwing up in my mouth, sometimes ya just gotta ignore that stats. Hartnell is a turd with a capital T in my opinion and his stats arnt much better. Two 30/30 100pim seasons out of 11 doesnt make you a force worthy of a 6 year deal IMO.

As for the Flyers never having to trade anyone and never seeming to be in cap trouble.. when the league lets them LTIR Pronger to get that cap space back (again) this season, when he almost assuredly will never play in the NHL again, what do you expect? Ed Snider can easily afford to pay the portion of his contract that isn't covered by the insurance and Pronger of course wants the money so why would either want to retire him when the Flyers would get stuck with the cap hit (over 35 contract) and Pronger wouldnt get paid.. ugh.