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Hartnell extended

Postby viva la ben on Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:55 pm

6 years 33 28.8 million

He is 30 years old. Much better deal than the first rumored one.
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby Pitts on Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:56 pm

awesome.
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby columbia on Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:56 pm

"The clown shoes are on me!"
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby viva la ben on Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:00 pm

So how many years of this contract will be LTIRed?
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby viva la ben on Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:02 pm

"I give Jaromir Jagr a lot of credit for my success," Hartnell said. "Being focused more on hockey, getting upstairs in the gym, getting ready for practice. I was more into practice with him than I was in my career. I'll take a lot of that, and the success we had, and take a lot of that going forward."


http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=640113
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby Pavel Bure on Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:44 pm

Darn would've loved to see him here if he made it to FA
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby Fire0nice228 on Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:56 pm

Pavel Bure wrote:Darn would've loved to see him here if he made it to FA



Would've thrown up in my mouth quite a bit.
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby MRandall25 on Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:53 pm

And somehow the Flyers still have the cap space?
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby Rylan on Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:01 pm

I actually like Hartnell. I would have loved to have him here in Pittsburgh.
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby Pavel Bure on Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:08 pm

Fire0nice228 wrote:
Pavel Bure wrote:Darn would've loved to see him here if he made it to FA



Would've thrown up in my mouth quite a bit.

25/25 power forward, yes please.
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby shafnutz05 on Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:11 pm

Ed Snider has got to be popular in NHL owner circles right now.
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby dman66 on Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:07 pm

I just don't get how all of these players are signing with the Flyers when a salary roll back is probable. Why limit your salary? Not only that, but they will most likely be traded away in three years anyway, though I guess they will be getting paid regardless. Just seems like the Flyer's do whatever they want and are never over the cap, never have to give players away, or never lose any key players. So frustrating.
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby Pitts on Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:10 pm

No movement clause for Hartnell. Yes!
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby canaan on Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:41 am

is it 6/33 or 6/28.5?
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:42 am

No brainer. Can't believe it took this long for him to get this contract.
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby HockeyDaddy on Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:49 am

Pitts wrote:No movement clause for Hartnell. Yes!

That's the best part of this deal. Not surprising though. Virtually every contract has some sort of NMC that is later negotiated out.
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby steelhammer on Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:03 am

Look forward to this contract blowing up in their faces. Good luck being motivated by Jagr when he is no longer there.
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby Mr. Colby on Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:21 am

Great deal for both sides. Hartnell is a force.
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby Pitts on Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:25 am

Mr. Colby wrote:Great deal for both sides. Hartnell is a force.

I agree with steelhammer -- he will never have the numbers he had last year again. In fact, I will predict his numbers go down each year for the next 6. He is not the type of player you give a 6 year deal to at the age of 30.
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby JoseCuervo on Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:29 am

dman66 wrote:Just seems like the Flyer's do whatever they want and are never over the cap, never have to give players away, or never lose any key players. So frustrating.


They've been using a pretty similar model to build their team for a while now. I don't understand how it's frustrating because it hasn't worked.
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby shmenguin on Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:33 am

Pitts wrote:
Mr. Colby wrote:Great deal for both sides. Hartnell is a force.

I agree with steelhammer -- he will never have the numbers he had last year again. In fact, I will predict his numbers go down each year for the next 6. He is not the type of player you give a 6 year deal to at the age of 30.


hartnell's game should stay pretty steady as he ages. athleticism isn't exactly the foundation of why he's successful.

this deal is fine for the flyers - not great. not bad. there's no need to bring the CBA stuff into the discussion here.
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby steelhammer on Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:14 pm

shmenguin wrote:
Pitts wrote:
Mr. Colby wrote:Great deal for both sides. Hartnell is a force.

I agree with steelhammer -- he will never have the numbers he had last year again. In fact, I will predict his numbers go down each year for the next 6. He is not the type of player you give a 6 year deal to at the age of 30.


hartnell's game should stay pretty steady as he ages. athleticism isn't exactly the foundation of why he's successful.

this deal is fine for the flyers - not great. not bad. there's no need to bring the CBA stuff into the discussion here.


What would you describe as "steady"? He has 11 seasons in the league and his career stats, projected to 82 games/year, are 21.6 goals and 46.1 points. Aside from this season, he only has 1 other season where he scored more than 49 points and/or 25 goals (his 30/30 season of 08-09). His career shooting pct is 11.3%, but he hit 15.9% this last season. Which one is more likely?

Basically, they signed him to a contract at a value equal to his career best season that he produced at 29 years old. His career numbers suggest that he is more likely to produce at a lower rate, doubtful that he could equal his peak output of his last season and very unlikely to go beyond that.

Add to that, he cites his training/fitness as one of the reason why he had his best season. Once that goes, he goes.
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby Mr. Colby on Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:33 pm

Yo. They did not sign him to a contract "at a value equal to his career best season".

37 goals and 67 points gets you more than 4.75 per.

He's better than Ryan Malone, and only making 250,000 more and Malone signed his deal when the cap was like 20 million less.

This is a good deal no matter how you slice it. Saying otherwise stems only from your hatred of the organization and player
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby Mr. Colby on Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:35 pm

6 years might be a tad long for a 30 year old that plays his style, but it's evident that Hartnell traded money for term.
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Re: Hartnell extended

Postby Fire0nice228 on Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:41 pm

Great analysis Steelhammer, although if he stays with Giroux for any length of time he could put up pretty good numbers. But as far as throwing up in my mouth, sometimes ya just gotta ignore that stats. Hartnell is a turd with a capital T in my opinion and his stats arnt much better. Two 30/30 100pim seasons out of 11 doesnt make you a force worthy of a 6 year deal IMO.

As for the Flyers never having to trade anyone and never seeming to be in cap trouble.. when the league lets them LTIR Pronger to get that cap space back (again) this season, when he almost assuredly will never play in the NHL again, what do you expect? Ed Snider can easily afford to pay the portion of his contract that isn't covered by the insurance and Pronger of course wants the money so why would either want to retire him when the Flyers would get stuck with the cap hit (over 35 contract) and Pronger wouldnt get paid.. ugh.
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