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Re: 2010 World Cup Draw

Postby GaryRissling on Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:54 pm

Draftnik wrote:When Beasley was benched after his disastrous Confed Cup game who replaced him?


Was it Holden? I was on vacation at the time.
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Re: 2010 World Cup Draw

Postby Draftnik on Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:11 pm

GaryRissling wrote:
Draftnik wrote:When Beasley was benched after his disastrous Confed Cup game who replaced him?


Was it Holden? I was on vacation at the time.


I think so. I remember we seemed to get good service to Davies/Altidore on the left side in the semifinal vs. Spain. In the final vs. Brazil we seemed to play down the right.
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Re: 2010 World Cup Draw

Postby largegarlic on Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:43 am

I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly, but I don't think Holden was on the Confed Cup roster. I think Beasley got benched and that's when Bradley switched to the 4-4-2 with Altidore and Davies up top, Donovan, Clark (?), Bradley and Dempsey in the midfield. I believe it was Davies that moved into the starting line-up.
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Re: 2010 World Cup Draw

Postby pfim on Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:31 am

Donovan has been playing the left side.

Beasley was out of form. If he gets back in form, he can contribute. He's scored goals in the Champions League, Europa League, Confederations Cup...and as horrible as he was in 2006, he set up the only goal against Ghana and if McBride gets out of the way, the winner against Italy.

The US isn't good enough to leave an in-form Beasley at home. Especially without Davies.
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Re: 2010 World Cup Draw

Postby pfim on Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:35 am

I see Bradley will be fielding an experimental team for winter camp and the next friendly match.


I believe there is only one international fixture date between now and the WC, so two of the friendlies will be MLS and Scandanavian players. None of the key players will be in the winter camp.
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Re: 2010 World Cup Draw

Postby Draftnik on Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:05 pm

Here is the press release:

http://www.ussoccer.com/News/Mens-National-Team/2009/12/Bradley-Calls-30-Players-to-Begin-Training-Camp-on-Jan-4.aspx

Here is the experimental roster for Honduras:

http://www.ussoccer.com/Teams/US-Men/Rosters/HON_100123.aspx

The real team will play the Netherlands in March,

I think Beasley lost his Team USA jersey around the 2:15 mark on this clip:



If it were a one time thing I could see writing it off as a mistake or careless error. In Beasley's case he has repeatedly given the ball away in high profile matches. I think he was substituted soon after that goal and has not worn the jersey since then if I remember correctly. Beasley also gave the ball away very cheaply which led to the first Brazilian goal, but this Youtube clip kindly omitted that glaring gaffe from Beasley's video CV.

I can only hope he is omitted from the final 23.
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Re: 2010 World Cup Draw

Postby pfim on Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:21 pm

I think he was substituted soon after that goal and has not worn the jersey since then if I remember correctly.


He had played in 3 league matches in 2009 before the Confed Cup. You could very well argue (and I did) that he had no business being on the Confed Cup roster. But if he's playing for Rangers, he'll be on the squad. We'll agree to disagree, but the US doesn't have enough talent to leave him off the roster, it's just the way it is.
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Re: 2010 World Cup Draw

Postby pfim on Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:40 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/ind ... ush_andrew

Donovan may get an extended look at Everton...
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Re: 2010 World Cup Draw

Postby pfim on Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:12 pm

Looks like Beasley will be out for 2-3 weeks now with a thigh strain/tear.

Looks more and more likely that Holden will be moving to Europe.
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Re: 2010 World Cup Draw

Postby Draftnik on Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:17 am

MLS lockout in a WC year? I'm not sure what to make of that but it can't be good for Team USA. MLS franchise valuations seem to be on the rise, so somebody must be making $$$ off this league or at least they see a profitable endgame.

By the time the European club season winds down WC camps should be starting and by the time the WC ends European club camps should be starting. I don't think most soccer fans in the US would notice if MLS didn't play at all next season.
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Re: 2010 World Cup Draw

Postby pfim on Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:07 am

No, but as you say it certainly wouldn't be good for the USMNT. Especially since it's quite possible that one of the starting centerbacks will be coming from the MLS.

Altidore was hot garbage yesterday and against ManU, 15 league appearances and no goals. Just more fuel on the fire for the US.
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Re: LGP Futbol Thread - (CL, EPL, Serie A, Liga, 2010 World Cup)

Postby slappybrown on Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:26 pm

Changed the name of the thread to a more general theme since we are all over the place. p :D

Found this entertaining:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/st ... de&cc=5901

This is probably my favorite; completely bats*** insane:

"I have black, gypsy and Japanese friends, including one whose job is to determine the sex of poultry" - June 2006 - Spain boss Luis Aragones attempts to clear himself of the racism tag two years after his comments on Thierry Henry.
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Re: LGP Futbol Thread - (CL, EPL, Serie A, Liga, 2010 World Cup)

Postby Draftnik on Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:30 am

Ronaldo came out today and claimed the OT crowd intimidated United's rivals and he asked the Madrid mob to step up their game. It should be interesting to see how that goes down with the fickle Madrid mob.

Adu was sent back to Benfica from some lower table Portuguese club. His European vacation continues to be an unmitigated disaster.
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Re: LGP Futbol Thread - (CL, EPL, Serie A, Liga, 2010 World Cup)

Postby pittsoccer33 on Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:35 am

im just beginning to get into following international soccer, and i have a question that shows my ignorance:

i just read an article about who was invited to the US national team training camp next month, and Landon Donovan wasn't on the list. Is he really not one of the better players? I ask because he is one of the few MLS names that I thought somewhat transcended the league.
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Re: LGP Futbol Thread - (CL, EPL, Serie A, Liga, 2010 World Cup)

Postby slappybrown on Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:40 am

pittsoccer33 wrote:im just beginning to get into following international soccer, and i have a question that shows my ignorance:

i just read an article about who was invited to the US national team training camp next month, and Landon Donovan wasn't on the list. Is he really not one of the better players? I ask because he is one of the few MLS names that I thought somewhat transcended the league.

He'll be at the World Cup unquestionably. Donovan and the other currently European-based players are in the midst of the league seasons for the respective countries they play in. The MLS season is over, so that camp is really for the MLS players. Someone correct me if I am mistaken.
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Re: LGP Futbol Thread - (CL, EPL, Serie A, Liga, 2010 World Cup)

Postby pfim on Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:12 am

slappybrown wrote:
pittsoccer33 wrote:im just beginning to get into following international soccer, and i have a question that shows my ignorance:

i just read an article about who was invited to the US national team training camp next month, and Landon Donovan wasn't on the list. Is he really not one of the better players? I ask because he is one of the few MLS names that I thought somewhat transcended the league.

He'll be at the World Cup unquestionably. Donovan and the other currently European-based players are in the midst of the league seasons for the respective countries they play in. The MLS season is over, so that camp is really for the MLS players. Someone correct me if I am mistaken.


Correct, the camp is mostly for MLS players and some players who play in Scandanavia who don't start their season again until March. The US can't take players away from their clubs in season without an international fixture date. There are really only 6-7 players in this camp who have a shot at making the WC roster.

Donovan is an MLS player but is starting a loan at Everton in England tomorrow, so he's not available.
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Re: LGP Futbol Thread - (CL, EPL, Serie A, Liga, 2010 World Cup)

Postby Draftnik on Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:15 pm

EJ loaned to Aris FC of Greece:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/article6972974.ece

Mike Bradley gets some recognition as a bargain January transfer target:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article6972970.ece
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Re: LGP Futbol Thread - (CL, EPL, Serie A, Liga, 2010 World Cup)

Postby pfim on Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:57 pm

That's good for EJ. Adu could be following him, although I don't know how much stock I put in that.

I don't know if M'gladbach would let Bradley go for the cheap. He certainly won't break the bank but they have little reason to let him go.

Donovan could be on the bench Saturday against Arsenal.
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Re: LGP Futbol Thread - (CL, EPL, Serie A, Liga, 2010 World Cup)

Postby slappybrown on Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:15 pm

WE ARE ALL LEEDS FANS TODAY :D
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Re: LGP Futbol Thread - (CL, EPL, Serie A, Liga, 2010 World Cup)

Postby pfim on Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:31 pm

slappybrown wrote:WE ARE ALL LEEDS FANS TODAY :D


I'm sure Draftnik isn't...

Leeds played very well. Becchio-Beckford up top played very well and the center-mids really controlled the ball well. They certainly weren't in awe of ManU or Old Trafford.

Leeds isn't your typical League 1 club, they're a very large club with money behind them. It's certainly a huge upset, though.
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Re: LGP Futbol Thread - (CL, EPL, Serie A, Liga, 2010 World Cup)

Postby slappybrown on Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:54 pm

pfim wrote:
slappybrown wrote:WE ARE ALL LEEDS FANS TODAY :D


I'm sure Draftnik isn't...

Leeds played very well. Becchio-Beckford up top played very well and the center-mids really controlled the ball well. They certainly weren't in awe of ManU or Old Trafford.

Leeds isn't your typical League 1 club, they're a very large club with money behind them. It's certainly a huge upset, though.

Personally, and like most every person not from Leeds, I hate Leeds. Ken Bates involvement has only increased how distasteful I find them. Milan and Leeds have their own history ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFt3yCB8Q3s ), but I was just poking Draftnik a bit.
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Re: LGP Futbol Thread - (CL, EPL, Serie A, Liga, 2010 World Cup)

Postby Draftnik on Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:52 pm

It doesn't always come up Roses for United supporters. It was a gutting loss. I still feel like having my stomach extracted thinking about it as I type. I don't think any United supporter logically expects the Quadruple to happen, but it is still rotten when United are out of a competition, especially one as prestigious as the FA Cup. I actually prefer it to the Euro Cup, but I don't think SAF feels the same.

That said, it was an excellent display why the English football game is the best in the world. The Leeds supporters created an outstanding atmosphere at OT. Their players clearly relished the occasion and played at a high level for 90 minutes. The game had some crunching challenges. United tried to pour it on at the end but didn't really have a classic storming of the Leeds goal.

I'm not sure what to make of it. Some United players like Obertan were exposed as not having the bottle to go into 50/50 challenges with Leeds players that clearly wanted it more. SAF is trying to blood several youngsters into the lineup but it is tough to do that at United because they are supposed to win every match and competition. United are obviously very reliant on Rooney and he's been quite profligate in front of goal in recent weeks. As good a buy as Valencia has been, Ronaldo would have cut in towards goal when Valencia stayed wide to cross and inevitably Ronaldo's hunger for goals would have created a United goal in some way to force the replay. Ronaldo papered over some of the obvious shortcomings the past few seasons. United have been poor in central midfield for a while now but it was shocking for Leeds to come into OT and boss proceedings in the middle of the park. I think United need to repurchase Robbie Savage so he can kick the tar out of the young players in training to toughen them up. I've always thought Rooney could be the worlds best box-to-box midfielder, but England would be apoplectic if SAF moved him in a WC year.

The key will be how United responds Wednesday. As distasteful as it was to lose to Leeds and see Beckford strut around OT as if he is something big, they won't win the FA Cup. Citeh on the other hand are living for the League Cup as their very legitimate chance for Silverware. A proper response at wastelands that tells their 3rd manager, 2nd owner, and dozen expensive mercenary imports that that they are still nothing and never will be anything no matter how much money they spend and Leeds will be forgotten.

I'll have to keep a closer eye on Milan results.

Have they been eliminated from the Copa Italia or whatever it is called? Do they have 2 domestic Cups like England?

Wenger has been saying some crazy stuff for a while now but he claims the FA Cup defeat will somehow benefit United in the Euro Cup. I'm not sure what to make of it because United should have a big enough squad to legitimately compete in all competitions, but if United beat Milan I'm sure Wenger will be asked if that was evidence of his claim and if he affirms that I'll make sure to bring it to your attention. :wink: You may end up ruing Leeds day of glory.
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Re: LGP Futbol Thread - (CL, EPL, Serie A, Liga, 2010 World Cup)

Postby slappybrown on Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:59 pm

Haha, good post. The roses reference in the opening line was a particularly nice touch. I didnt see the match aside from a highlights package, so what I know of it is based on the match reports and your thoughts above.

Personally, and while I know that the FA Cup is the only national cup competition that carries any real weight in the major domestic leagues (I guess you could put the Copa del Rey in there, but I'd say it is a distant second to the FA Cup) especially since the Cup Winners Cup was terminated, from a neutral standpoint, I think United are better off having lost. I know the squads at major clubs like United are supposed to be big enough to win each and every competition, but I just find the national cups to be little more than a nuisance and only detract from the real goals -- the league and CL titles. In dees sense, errrr, I agwee wif, errr, zee Fwenchman.

This attitude, shared by pretty much all Italians, is what makes the Coppa Italia such a dismal event until the final (Italy only has a single national cup - thank God :D). Milan enter in the Round of 16, and we play Novara (equivalent of a League One club) next week. They'll play maybe 2 or 3 regulars, if that. I could not be less interested.

Before the CL draw, I thought that Milan would not have the best of chances against United if we drew them. I haven't particularly seen anything that would indicate otherwise, even with the Leeds loss. I hope I am wrong, of course. :)
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Re: LGP Futbol Thread - (CL, EPL, Serie A, Liga, 2010 World Cup)

Postby Draftnik on Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:46 am

The perfect tonic to take the knots out of my stomach:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/gallery/2010/jan/05/alberto-aquilani-the-gallery-liverpool?picture=357536676

Laughter really is the best medicine.

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Re: LGP Futbol Thread - (CL, EPL, Serie A, Liga, 2010 World Cup)

Postby slappybrown on Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:24 am

HA! Those were pretty good Draftnik.
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