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penny lane wrote:Seeding is almost like college polls. Did they set up the seeding to ensure the 4 best players remain in the tournament for the ticket draw?
Watching this match; Roger has to end points sooner. Little nervous!
I swear I just saw Ron Burkle sitting with the Djokovic group!!
Draftnik wrote:That was a gutty win by Djokovic. I thought he was losing his focus when he started to fight the crowd for favoring Federer. I'm in the ABN camp (anybody but Nadal), so I like the outcome because Djokovic has won his last 5 matches vs Nadal.
My favorite player is Monfils but I will soon favor the young American Sock as soon as he losses his spare tire and matures into the great player his talent says he can be.
Draftnik wrote:The top 4 seeds are put in separate quadrants to guarantee they can't meet until the semis, but for some reason 1 plays 3 and 2 plays 4 in the semis. It doesn't make sense IMO.
penny lane wrote:There is just something I don't like about Djokovic. It is hell getting old. Roger has to figure out something here. His reactions are exactly what I don't like about him.![]()
Top this nadal and murray!
Tomas wrote:Draftnik wrote:The top 4 seeds are put in separate quadrants to guarantee they can't meet until the semis, but for some reason 1 plays 3 and 2 plays 4 in the semis. It doesn't make sense IMO.
#3 and #4 are drawn *randomly* in the opposite halves of the draws, so that they can't meet #1 or #2 until the samis.. The fact that #1 played #3 a few recent times are just by luck. Same with seeds 5-8: randomly drawn, but not to play No 1-4 until the Quartefinals, etc.
The following link leads to ATP rulebook in PDF format:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Corporate/Rulebook.aspx
The seeding is explained on p. 92. (Long story short: #1 seed goes on line 1 of the chart. #2 seed goes on line 128 of the chart.
For seeds3 & 4, the first drawn goes on line 33, the second drawn goes on line 96
For seeds 5-8:
First drawn: line 32
Second drawn: line 64
Third drawn: line 65
Fourth drawn: line 97
This way, the first 8 seeds always make the QFs (if they keep winning), and the first 4 seeds will make the semifinals. However, the FQ and SF pairs are still random.
Also, seeds 1-4 are randomly drawn against seeds 13-16 for the fourth round possible matchup (i.e. seeds 5-8 will be randomly matched against 9-12). For the 3rd round, seeds 1-8 will be randomly matched against seeds 25-32, (i.e seeds 9-16 will get randomly matched 17-24)
Draftnik wrote:Tomas wrote:Draftnik wrote:The top 4 seeds are put in separate quadrants to guarantee they can't meet until the semis, but for some reason 1 plays 3 and 2 plays 4 in the semis. It doesn't make sense IMO.
#3 and #4 are drawn *randomly* in the opposite halves of the draws, so that they can't meet #1 or #2 until the samis.. The fact that #1 played #3 a few recent times are just by luck. Same with seeds 5-8: randomly drawn, but not to play No 1-4 until the Quartefinals, etc.
The following link leads to ATP rulebook in PDF format:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Corporate/Rulebook.aspx
The seeding is explained on p. 92. (Long story short: #1 seed goes on line 1 of the chart. #2 seed goes on line 128 of the chart.
For seeds3 & 4, the first drawn goes on line 33, the second drawn goes on line 96
For seeds 5-8:
First drawn: line 32
Second drawn: line 64
Third drawn: line 65
Fourth drawn: line 97
This way, the first 8 seeds always make the QFs (if they keep winning), and the first 4 seeds will make the semifinals. However, the FQ and SF pairs are still random.
Also, seeds 1-4 are randomly drawn against seeds 13-16 for the fourth round possible matchup (i.e. seeds 5-8 will be randomly matched against 9-12). For the 3rd round, seeds 1-8 will be randomly matched against seeds 25-32, (i.e seeds 9-16 will get randomly matched 17-24)
Thanks for posting. I think the ATP seeding methodology is flawed. The entire premise of seeding is to reward the higher seeds with easier matchups and/or to prevent the top seeds from meeting until the latest possible round.
With the top 3 players being so much better than the others its more disadvantageous to Djokovic's title chances meeting Federer in the SF round than it would be meeting the #4 seed Andy Murray in the 1st round IMO (assuming that he wouldn't meet Nadal/Federer until finals.)
pens2005 wrote:penny lane wrote:There is just something I don't like about Djokovic. It is hell getting old. Roger has to figure out something here. His reactions are exactly what I don't like about him.![]()
Top this nadal and murray!
Who's reactions? Federer's? I love Federer's lack of fist pumping, grunting, and childish whining and moaning. It's a breath of fresh air to me. He does his job and does it fantastically. In today's sporting world it is very rare to see a superstar athlete act the way Federer does.
Unless of course you were referring to Djokovich which negates my reply, then.
cma3585 wrote:There is just something I don't like about
http://twitter.com/GMillerTSN - It pains me to say this as a Roger Federer fan, but I didn't like his comments at the news conference after his SF loss to Novak Djokovic.
http://twitter.com/GMillerTSN - Calling his clutch cross court shot facing match point "lucky" and saying "I wasn't brought up to play that way" is unbecoming of a champion
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