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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby Draftnik on Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:36 pm

Froggy wrote:
columbia wrote:
Froggy wrote:I agree w/
Definitely stupid, probably(not definitely) racist.

But I'm more bothered by all the hyperbole and mock outrage about it.


Why wouldn't people be bothered by it?

I have no problem being bothered with it, I guess. It's more the extent of which people are upset. Like throwing around the words "hate crime"... Stuff like that.


I’m not familiar with Ontario Provincial law or Canadian Federal laws, but what the cowardly piece of filth did would be considered a hate crime in some US States:

http://definitions.uslegal.com/h/hate-crime/

Its definitely harassment and even threatening based 100% on racial prejudice.

I shouldn’t be surprised people think this is OK or even funny. It is the Internet after all.

If the piece(s) of filth that threw the banana peels had the courage of their convictions they would have confronted Simmonds personally to let him know they didn’t like him because he is black. Instead they anonymously & cowardly threw banana peels at him. The perpetrator(s) is a pathetic loser, just like the pathetic losers on the Internet that try to rationalize this act as being funny or immature.
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby Physical_Graffiti on Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:38 pm

Draftnik wrote:
Froggy wrote:
columbia wrote:
Froggy wrote:I agree w/
Definitely stupid, probably(not definitely) racist.

But I'm more bothered by all the hyperbole and mock outrage about it.


Why wouldn't people be bothered by it?

I have no problem being bothered with it, I guess. It's more the extent of which people are upset. Like throwing around the words "hate crime"... Stuff like that.


I’m not familiar with Ontario Provincial law or Canadian Federal laws, but what the cowardly piece of filth did would be considered a hate crime in some US States:

http://definitions.uslegal.com/h/hate-crime/

Its definitely harassment and even threatening based 100% on racial prejudice.

I shouldn’t be surprised people think this is OK or even funny. It is the Internet after all.

If the piece(s) of filth that threw the banana peels had the courage of their convictions they would have confronted Simmonds personally to let him know they didn’t like him because he is black. Instead they anonymously & cowardly threw banana peels at him. The perpetrator(s) is a pathetic loser, just like the pathetic losers in the Internet that try to rationalize this act as being funny or immature.

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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby Draftnik on Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:42 pm

Racism is despicable & disgusting. The only people that see any humor in it or can rationalize it in any way, shape, or form are by definition racist.
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby columbia on Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:44 pm

Kevin Weekes is being interviewed on TSN Radio right now.
He is *pissed*.
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby Froggy on Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:45 pm

I really don't care what the law *technically* says. Calling this a hate crime is silly, and only accomplishes in cheapening actual hate crimes. A lynching or a beating or a murder are not remotely the same thing as mocking someone's ethnicity by throwing a piece of fruit at them.


I don't think it's funny. I'm just not at my wits end with outrage and bloodlust about it. My reaction was more along the lines "what a stupid thing to do"
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby Physical_Graffiti on Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:48 pm

Draftnik wrote:Racism is despicable & disgusting. The only people that see any humor in it or can rationalize it in any way, shape, or form are by definition racist.

Spoiler:
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby meecrofilm on Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:50 pm

"Stupid" is a massive understatement. Imagine how Simmonds feels. I'm sure it was a bit more than just "stupid" to him.
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby penny lane on Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:59 pm

sadly other nitwits will attempt the very same.
I would hope that if I was at the game, I would turn the person in, or provide a description.
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby Pops16 on Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:01 pm

Find the culprit and ban him from attending games league wide. That sends a nice little message.
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby Draftnik on Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:04 pm

Froggy wrote:I really don't care what the law *technically* says. Calling this a hate crime is silly, and only accomplishes in cheapening actual hate crimes. A lynching or a beating or a murder are not remotely the same thing as mocking someone's ethnicity by throwing a piece of fruit at them.


I don't think it's funny. I'm just not at my wits end with outrage and bloodlust about it. My reaction was more along the lines "what a stupid thing to do"


Hate crime laws are as most laws are - full of technicalities.

The only people that don’t understand that are people that don’t understand the nature of law.

“Technicalities’ as you say are usually differentiated in the sentencing process if crimes of various degrees are charged and prosecuted under the same statute.

Lynching & murder would also involve other more significant criminal charges. People that understand the law would already know that.
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby Froggy on Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:18 pm

Shocker. You're missing my point. The words "hate crime" invoke very specific connotations. Wether intentionally or not, you are implying that throwing a banana peel at someone is the same as lynching them or dragging them from a truck. There is a difference between the two, and I don't feel comfortable with lumping them all under the same umbrella.
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby Physical_Graffiti on Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:23 pm

Aren't all/nearly all crimes "hate crimes"?
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby shmenguin on Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:37 pm

Physical_Graffiti wrote:Aren't all/nearly all crimes "hate crimes"?


your disrespect for the law and the different races that it protects makes you an enabler of all things evil.

but it is the internet after all.
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby Henry Hank on Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:42 pm

Physical_Graffiti wrote:Aren't all/nearly all crimes "hate crimes"?


You're arguing semantics. The term hate crime implies a specific type of crime regardless of what it has been termed.
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby doublem on Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:44 pm

Do people really not understand why hate crimes exist?
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby Pavel Bure on Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:51 pm

skeeter14 wrote:Reports on Twitter that when Simmonds was called to take part in a shootout in their game against DET tonight, someone threw a banana.

Wow....just WOW!

What wasn't reported is that this song was playing

And the person is a huge Lil Wayne fan.
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby Physical_Graffiti on Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:39 pm

shmenguin wrote:
Physical_Graffiti wrote:Aren't all/nearly all crimes "hate crimes"?


your disrespect for the law and the different races that it protects makes you an enabler of all things evil.

but it is the internet after all.

I disrespect different races?
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby shmenguin on Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:50 pm

Physical_Graffiti wrote:
shmenguin wrote:
Physical_Graffiti wrote:Aren't all/nearly all crimes "hate crimes"?


your disrespect for the law and the different races that it protects makes you an enabler of all things evil.

but it is the internet after all.

I disrespect different races?


nah not really. just pointing out that there has been an aggressive element to this thread that is largely unwarranted.
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby Physical_Graffiti on Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:59 pm

shmenguin wrote:
Physical_Graffiti wrote:
shmenguin wrote:
Physical_Graffiti wrote:Aren't all/nearly all crimes "hate crimes"?


your disrespect for the law and the different races that it protects makes you an enabler of all things evil.

but it is the internet after all.

I disrespect different races?


nah not really. just pointing out that there has been an aggressive element to this thread that is largely unwarranted.

Ah, truesay
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby Admin on Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:08 pm

I hope they find the sad person that did this.
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby shmenguin on Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:22 pm

Admin wrote:I hope they find the sad person that did this.


can't argue with that
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby Draftnik on Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:25 pm

Froggy wrote:Shocker. You're missing my point. The words "hate crime" invoke very specific connotations. Wether intentionally or not, you are implying that throwing a banana peel at someone is the same as lynching them or dragging them from a truck. There is a difference between the two, and I don't feel comfortable with lumping them all under the same umbrella.


I didn't imply anything. I didn't "lump" anything together. You don't understand the law. If somebody were lynched or dragged from a truck the punishment for the perpetrator would be predominately based on assault, level of premeditation, injuries sustained by the victim, and other factors independent of the racial aspect that made it a hate crime.

A person tossing banana peels at Wayne Simmonds wouldn't receive the same charges or punishment as somebody that physically assaulted Simmonds. Both would still be considered hate crimes in many states. The person committing assault would receive charges carrying significantly more punishment than a crime not involving physical violence.

You have erroneously attached physically violent connotations to all hate crimes and that isn't how hate crimes are exclusively defined in many states. Just because you think something is "the law" doesn't make it so. That is why laws are reduced to writing and codified instead of just being ideas that mean different things to different people.
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby littlemoonboot on Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:31 pm

My first thought was, "Simmonds is a Flyer? Ewwwww! Not the Flyers!"

I suspect it was some dumb ass teenager who thought he was being "funny." Not cool either way, though.

Waffles > Banana peels.
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby Froggy on Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:08 pm

ugh. i'm done arguing. not worth giving it anymore thought or energy. have fun guys.
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Re: Banana Thrown at Wayne Simmonds

Postby Idoit40fans on Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:17 pm

Froggy is correct. This is not a hate crime. Hate crimes require violence, there was no violence here. If you want to suggest that a thrown banana is violent, I want to suggest that you check out the real world.
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