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Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby André on Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:13 am

Thought I'd copy last year's thread.

Early favourites?

I'm thinking one of the Sedins, Backstrom, Kopitar or Giroux. I guess Giroux or Backstrom are my final two candidates.

Kessel will slow down (is already). Sid's out of the picture, Ovy too it seems. Geno could still join the fight I guess but the gap is wide. Stamkos is turning it on too but is not getting enough assists I think.

Oh and the assist league is a sweet sight for any swede. Five swedes among the leaders at the moment. About a week ago the fop four was all swedes.
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby Pitt87 on Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:18 am

André wrote:Sid's out of the picture, Ovy too it seems. Geno could still join the fight I guess but the gap is wide. Stamkos is turning it on too but is not getting enough assists I think


I don't think you can count out any of these 4. MVP is a qualitative award (usually) and the leagues top stars will always be in the running as long as their teams are winning and they are scoring.

That said, I think its time to consider goaltenders as legit candidates. Some good cases the last few years...
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby mikey287 on Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:22 am

Goalies to lead the league in scoring? That sounds pretty unlikely ;)
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby PPenguinsFan66 on Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:20 pm

Pitt87 wrote:I don't think you can count out any of these 4. MVP is a qualitative award (usually) and the leagues top stars will always be in the running as long as their teams are winning and they are scoring.

That said, I think its time to consider goaltenders as legit candidates. Some good cases the last few years...



Art Ross Trophy, not Hart Memorial Trophy.
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby Gaucho on Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:11 pm

If Sid comes back this month I could see Geno maybe being a contender.
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby Pitt87 on Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:43 pm

PPenguinsFan66 wrote:
Pitt87 wrote:I don't think you can count out any of these 4. MVP is a qualitative award (usually) and the leagues top stars will always be in the running as long as their teams are winning and they are scoring.

That said, I think its time to consider goaltenders as legit candidates. Some good cases the last few years...



Art Ross Trophy, not Hart Memorial Trophy.


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Thanks..
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby Mongoose87 on Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:55 pm

Gaucho wrote:If Sid comes back this month I could see Geno maybe being a contender.

I could see that. He'd get a lot more favorable matchups.
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby Mr. Colby on Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:15 pm

I'm sure Kopitar will slow down, he always tears it up in the first half
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby André on Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:06 am

Mongoose87 wrote:
Gaucho wrote:If Sid comes back this month I could see Geno maybe being a contender.

I could see that. He'd get a lot more favorable matchups.


I doubt matchups have ever been a deciding (or at least one of the bigger) factor for Geno's production. As we all know some of his best stretches have been with Sid out.
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby Daniel87 on Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:42 am

André wrote:
Mongoose87 wrote:
Gaucho wrote:If Sid comes back this month I could see Geno maybe being a contender.

I could see that. He'd get a lot more favorable matchups.


I doubt matchups have ever been a deciding (or at least one of the bigger) factor for Geno's production. As we all know some of his best stretches have been with Sid out.

Having Sid back should only increase Geno's stats. Until Bylsma takes Neal away from him.
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby Pitts on Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:02 pm

Gaucho wrote:If Sid comes back this month I could see Geno maybe being a contender.

If Sid comes back this month, I could see Sid being a contender.
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby relantel on Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:10 pm

I wouldn't count 87 out categorically. Sure, this isn't 95-96 anymore, but the big man played only 60 games that year and still won the Ross. Right now, the Pens have 64 games left. Counting last years pace x 60 games, that's 96 points, which may not win it, but sure could see him making a race for it. Though if he does, might simply be enough to push another teammate ahead (Neal or Malkin).
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby ivand87 on Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:28 pm

What's the point of doing this as a Penguins fan when we all know that if Sid was playing he'd win this easily hands down? All these other guys are just lucky that he's not playing. Daniel was so lucky last year.
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby Staggy on Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:11 am

Ok, I'm gonna get extremely optimistic here. Kessel is on pace for 113 points. Let's say he slows down or misses a game or two and he ends up with 110. After tonight, the Pens have 61 games left and Sid has 4 points. For Sid to get 107 more points, he's going to have to average 1.75 points a game for the remaining 61 games. So for Sid to win the Art Ross he's probably going to have to play every game and average 1.75 points a game or play say 55 games and average 2 points a game. He's going to have to have a hell of a lot of games like tonight.
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby the wicked child on Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:26 am

I'm not going to expect it... but I'd say there is more of a chance for Sid to pull that off than there is for Kessel to stay this hot all season.
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby ulf on Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:31 am

sid's averaging 4 ppg...so with 61 left, it's his to lose.
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby Staggy on Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:36 am

the wicked child wrote:I'm not going to expect it... but I'd say there is more of a chance for Sid to pull that off than there is for Kessel to stay this hot all season.


Well by Kessel I just meant the league leader, whether that be him or the Sedins or Giroux or whoever. I feel like the league leader will be around 105-110 points.
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby André on Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:14 am

Participation in all the remaining games averaging 1.8 PPG is far fetched indeed. It'd be the sweetest thing ever, but I'm giving it a likelyhood of about 5% or so...
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby relantel on Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:48 am

Staggy wrote:Ok, I'm gonna get extremely optimistic here. Kessel is on pace for 113 points. Let's say he slows down or misses a game or two and he ends up with 110. After tonight, the Pens have 61 games left and Sid has 4 points. For Sid to get 107 more points, he's going to have to average 1.75 points a game for the remaining 61 games. So for Sid to win the Art Ross he's probably going to have to play every game and average 1.75 points a game or play say 55 games and average 2 points a game. He's going to have to have a hell of a lot of games like tonight.

André wrote:Participation in all the remaining games averaging 1.8 PPG is far fetched indeed. It'd be the sweetest thing ever, but I'm giving it a likelyhood of about 5% or so...


Well... last season through 38 games, Sid was above 1.8PPG.
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby TheHammer24 on Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:39 pm

Everyone ahead of Sedin right now is very unproven. Over Sid's last 82 games, he has scored 131 points (according to Versus last night), which equates to around 1.59 ppg. That pace would net him 95 points this season. Right now, Sedin, who I consider the favorite, is on pace for 97 points. Definitely possible for Sid to win it.
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby André on Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:14 pm

TheHammer24 wrote:Everyone ahead of Sedin right now is very unproven. Over Sid's last 82 games, he has scored 131 points (according to Versus last night), which equates to around 1.59 ppg. That pace would net him 95 points this season. Right now, Sedin, who I consider the favorite, is on pace for 97 points. Definitely possible for Sid to win it.


That's combining exactly the facts favouring your hope in order to support it as much as possible =)

I'd pee my pants of joy if he pulls it off, but I'm not calling it realistic unless Sid has about 20 points after 10 games.
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby relantel on Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:15 pm

André wrote:
TheHammer24 wrote:Everyone ahead of Sedin right now is very unproven. Over Sid's last 82 games, he has scored 131 points (according to Versus last night), which equates to around 1.59 ppg. That pace would net him 95 points this season. Right now, Sedin, who I consider the favorite, is on pace for 97 points. Definitely possible for Sid to win it.


That's combining the variations of facts in order to support your hope as much as possible =)

I'd pee my pants of joy if he pulls it off, but I'm not calling it realistic unless Sid has about 20 points after 10 games.

He had a 25 game stretch of 26+24 last year... :pop:
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby André on Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:20 pm

relantel wrote:
André wrote:
TheHammer24 wrote:Everyone ahead of Sedin right now is very unproven. Over Sid's last 82 games, he has scored 131 points (according to Versus last night), which equates to around 1.59 ppg. That pace would net him 95 points this season. Right now, Sedin, who I consider the favorite, is on pace for 97 points. Definitely possible for Sid to win it.


That's combining the variations of facts in order to support your hope as much as possible =)

I'd pee my pants of joy if he pulls it off, but I'm not calling it realistic unless Sid has about 20 points after 10 games.

He had a 25 game stretch of 26+24 last year... :pop:


Yeah, and that pace through 25 games is so very much less than that pace through 61 games. Hate being the debbie downer, just saying it'll be harder than some fans seem to think.

Looking at the numbers more closely, however, shows a measly 1.65 PPG is enough for him to get 104 points. Sure, it's not out of the realm of possibility.
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby TheHammer24 on Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:21 pm

André wrote:
TheHammer24 wrote:Everyone ahead of Sedin right now is very unproven. Over Sid's last 82 games, he has scored 131 points (according to Versus last night), which equates to around 1.59 ppg. That pace would net him 95 points this season. Right now, Sedin, who I consider the favorite, is on pace for 97 points. Definitely possible for Sid to win it.


That's combining exactly the facts favouring your hope in order to support it as much as possible =)

I'd pee my pants of joy if he pulls it off, but I'm not calling it realistic unless Sid has about 20 points after 10 games.

I agree it's different statistics, but I grabbed those two because they were most accessible. I couldn't find Sedin's 82-game pace and when Ilooked for it the 95 point thing was right in front of me.
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Re: Art Ross Trophy 11/12

Postby TheHammer24 on Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:23 pm

André wrote:
TheHammer24 wrote:Everyone ahead of Sedin right now is very unproven. Over Sid's last 82 games, he has scored 131 points (according to Versus last night), which equates to around 1.59 ppg. That pace would net him 95 points this season. Right now, Sedin, who I consider the favorite, is on pace for 97 points. Definitely possible for Sid to win it.


That's combining exactly the facts favouring your hope in order to support it as much as possible =)

I'd pee my pants of joy if he pulls it off, but I'm not calling it realistic unless Sid has about 20 points after 10 games.

LOL! Actually, I injured my case!!!

Sedin's last 82 games netted him 99 points, which equates to 1.2ish * 60 games remaining + 20 points he has scored already = 92 points < Sid's projected 95.
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