Art Ross Trophy 11/12

[André]

Thought I'd copy last year's thread.

Early favourites?

I'm thinking one of the Sedins, Backstrom, Kopitar or Giroux. I guess Giroux or Backstrom are my final two candidates.

Kessel will slow down (is already). Sid's out of the picture, Ovy too it seems. Geno could still join the fight I guess but the gap is wide. Stamkos is turning it on too but is not getting enough assists I think.

Oh and the assist league is a sweet sight for any swede. Five swedes among the leaders at the moment. About a week ago the fop four was all swedes.

[Pitt87]

Sid's out of the picture, Ovy too it seems. Geno could still join the fight I guess but the gap is wide. Stamkos is turning it on too but is not getting enough assists I think

I don't think you can count out any of these 4. MVP is a qualitative award (usually) and the leagues top stars will always be in the running as long as their teams are winning and they are scoring.

That said, I think its time to consider goaltenders as legit candidates. Some good cases the last few years...

[mikey287]

Goalies to lead the league in scoring? That sounds pretty unlikely

[PPenguinsFan66]

I don't think you can count out any of these 4. MVP is a qualitative award (usually) and the leagues top stars will always be in the running as long as their teams are winning and they are scoring.

That said, I think its time to consider goaltenders as legit candidates. Some good cases the last few years...

Art Ross Trophy, not Hart Memorial Trophy.

[Gaucho]

If Sid comes back this month I could see Geno maybe being a contender.

[Pitt87]

I don't think you can count out any of these 4. MVP is a qualitative award (usually) and the leagues top stars will always be in the running as long as their teams are winning and they are scoring.

That said, I think its time to consider goaltenders as legit candidates. Some good cases the last few years...

Art Ross Trophy, not Hart Memorial Trophy.

Thanks..

[Mongoose87]

If Sid comes back this month I could see Geno maybe being a contender.

I could see that. He'd get a lot more favorable matchups.

[Mr. Colby]

I'm sure Kopitar will slow down, he always tears it up in the first half

[André]

If Sid comes back this month I could see Geno maybe being a contender.

I could see that. He'd get a lot more favorable matchups.

I doubt matchups have ever been a deciding (or at least one of the bigger) factor for Geno's production. As we all know some of his best stretches have been with Sid out.

[Daniel87]

If Sid comes back this month I could see Geno maybe being a contender.

I could see that. He'd get a lot more favorable matchups.

I doubt matchups have ever been a deciding (or at least one of the bigger) factor for Geno's production. As we all know some of his best stretches have been with Sid out.

Having Sid back should only increase Geno's stats. Until Bylsma takes Neal away from him.

[Pitts]

If Sid comes back this month I could see Geno maybe being a contender.

If Sid comes back this month, I could see Sid being a contender.

[relantel]

I wouldn't count 87 out categorically. Sure, this isn't 95-96 anymore, but the big man played only 60 games that year and still won the Ross. Right now, the Pens have 64 games left. Counting last years pace x 60 games, that's 96 points, which may not win it, but sure could see him making a race for it. Though if he does, might simply be enough to push another teammate ahead (Neal or Malkin).

[ivand87]

What's the point of doing this as a Penguins fan when we all know that if Sid was playing he'd win this easily hands down? All these other guys are just lucky that he's not playing. Daniel was so lucky last year.

[Staggy]

Ok, I'm gonna get extremely optimistic here. Kessel is on pace for 113 points. Let's say he slows down or misses a game or two and he ends up with 110. After tonight, the Pens have 61 games left and Sid has 4 points. For Sid to get 107 more points, he's going to have to average 1.75 points a game for the remaining 61 games. So for Sid to win the Art Ross he's probably going to have to play every game and average 1.75 points a game or play say 55 games and average 2 points a game. He's going to have to have a hell of a lot of games like tonight.

[the wicked child]

I'm not going to expect it... but I'd say there is more of a chance for Sid to pull that off than there is for Kessel to stay this hot all season.

[ulf]

sid's averaging 4 ppg...so with 61 left, it's his to lose.

[Staggy]

I'm not going to expect it... but I'd say there is more of a chance for Sid to pull that off than there is for Kessel to stay this hot all season.

Well by Kessel I just meant the league leader, whether that be him or the Sedins or Giroux or whoever. I feel like the league leader will be around 105-110 points.

[André]

Participation in all the remaining games averaging 1.8 PPG is far fetched indeed. It'd be the sweetest thing ever, but I'm giving it a likelyhood of about 5% or so...

[relantel]

Ok, I'm gonna get extremely optimistic here. Kessel is on pace for 113 points. Let's say he slows down or misses a game or two and he ends up with 110. After tonight, the Pens have 61 games left and Sid has 4 points. For Sid to get 107 more points, he's going to have to average 1.75 points a game for the remaining 61 games. So for Sid to win the Art Ross he's probably going to have to play every game and average 1.75 points a game or play say 55 games and average 2 points a game. He's going to have to have a hell of a lot of games like tonight.

Participation in all the remaining games averaging 1.8 PPG is far fetched indeed. It'd be the sweetest thing ever, but I'm giving it a likelyhood of about 5% or so...

Well... last season through 38 games, Sid was above 1.8PPG.

[TheHammer24]

Everyone ahead of Sedin right now is very unproven. Over Sid's last 82 games, he has scored 131 points (according to Versus last night), which equates to around 1.59 ppg. That pace would net him 95 points this season. Right now, Sedin, who I consider the favorite, is on pace for 97 points. Definitely possible for Sid to win it.

[André]

Everyone ahead of Sedin right now is very unproven. Over Sid's last 82 games, he has scored 131 points (according to Versus last night), which equates to around 1.59 ppg. That pace would net him 95 points this season. Right now, Sedin, who I consider the favorite, is on pace for 97 points. Definitely possible for Sid to win it.

That's combining exactly the facts favouring your hope in order to support it as much as possible =)

I'd pee my pants of joy if he pulls it off, but I'm not calling it realistic unless Sid has about 20 points after 10 games.

[relantel]

Everyone ahead of Sedin right now is very unproven. Over Sid's last 82 games, he has scored 131 points (according to Versus last night), which equates to around 1.59 ppg. That pace would net him 95 points this season. Right now, Sedin, who I consider the favorite, is on pace for 97 points. Definitely possible for Sid to win it.

That's combining the variations of facts in order to support your hope as much as possible =)

I'd pee my pants of joy if he pulls it off, but I'm not calling it realistic unless Sid has about 20 points after 10 games.

He had a 25 game stretch of 26+24 last year...

[André]

Everyone ahead of Sedin right now is very unproven. Over Sid's last 82 games, he has scored 131 points (according to Versus last night), which equates to around 1.59 ppg. That pace would net him 95 points this season. Right now, Sedin, who I consider the favorite, is on pace for 97 points. Definitely possible for Sid to win it.

That's combining the variations of facts in order to support your hope as much as possible =)

I'd pee my pants of joy if he pulls it off, but I'm not calling it realistic unless Sid has about 20 points after 10 games.

He had a 25 game stretch of 26+24 last year...

Yeah, and that pace through 25 games is so very much less than that pace through 61 games. Hate being the debbie downer, just saying it'll be harder than some fans seem to think.

Looking at the numbers more closely, however, shows a measly 1.65 PPG is enough for him to get 104 points. Sure, it's not out of the realm of possibility.

[TheHammer24]

Everyone ahead of Sedin right now is very unproven. Over Sid's last 82 games, he has scored 131 points (according to Versus last night), which equates to around 1.59 ppg. That pace would net him 95 points this season. Right now, Sedin, who I consider the favorite, is on pace for 97 points. Definitely possible for Sid to win it.

That's combining exactly the facts favouring your hope in order to support it as much as possible =)

I'd pee my pants of joy if he pulls it off, but I'm not calling it realistic unless Sid has about 20 points after 10 games.

I agree it's different statistics, but I grabbed those two because they were most accessible. I couldn't find Sedin's 82-game pace and when Ilooked for it the 95 point thing was right in front of me.

[TheHammer24]

Everyone ahead of Sedin right now is very unproven. Over Sid's last 82 games, he has scored 131 points (according to Versus last night), which equates to around 1.59 ppg. That pace would net him 95 points this season. Right now, Sedin, who I consider the favorite, is on pace for 97 points. Definitely possible for Sid to win it.

That's combining exactly the facts favouring your hope in order to support it as much as possible =)

I'd pee my pants of joy if he pulls it off, but I'm not calling it realistic unless Sid has about 20 points after 10 games.

LOL! Actually, I injured my case!!!

Sedin's last 82 games netted him 99 points, which equates to 1.2ish * 60 games remaining + 20 points he has scored already = 92 points < Sid's projected 95.