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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby newarenanow on Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:31 am

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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby Kraftster on Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:37 am

shafnutz05 wrote:Hmm....the early votes for redwill are quite intriguing to me.

I shared the same sentiments as redwill regarding MWB being portrayed as blue in the write-up. It doesn't jive. I'm not saying he isn't blue, but it's just really weird that he was outed as such. Not to mention the fact that if he is blue, he was even protected the first night. Assuming there was a kill, the good angel (again, assuming there is one) had a 1 in 15 chance to protect the person that just so happened to be targeted by the reds for killing.

Questioning these weird first day happenings, to me, is hardly suspicious. The fact that it's coming from redwill, a seasoned player, isn't surprising at all, and I agree with him to an extent. For all I know, the MWB = blue thing might be a completely innocent thing in the writeup, but it's just very unusual.

I would be very wary of those that attempt to start eliminating the most skilled players based on the above logic.


What are the alternatives, though?

1) The reds tried to pull some crazy maneuver to clear MWB by both protecting and killing him? Highly unlikely.
2) MWB is the green angel and the reds happened to hit him? A 1 in 15 shot, i.e., just as unlikely as the angel happening to protect the target on Night 1.

Option 2) fails to account for MWB being colored as blue, making the option that MWB is a blue who was protected somehow the most likely scenario. SDD deliberately chose to color MWB blue. If he did that, I doubt it was to mislead us. I also think its possible that the game design involved a failed kill on night 1 just to set up the factions/story.

I think the most likely red is someone who has not entered the fray on either side (why rock the boat on Day 1)?

So, I am going to look over those names and pick one.
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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby Kraftster on Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:41 am

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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby columbia on Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:46 am

2) MWB is the green angel and the reds happened to hit him? A 1 in 15 shot, i.e., just as unlikely as the angel happening to protect the target on Night 1.


1 in 12 shot actually.

Just for the record:
The angel protecting himself from a red kill is far, far more likely than the angel protecting a blue, whom the reds happened to go after. Both in general and most certainly on Night 1.
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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby Gaucho on Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:48 am

Kraftster wrote:2) MWB is the green angel and the reds happened to hit him? A 1 in 15 shot, i.e., just as unlikely as the angel happening to protect the target on Night 1.



The latter is way more unlikely, except if the angel has the power to protect whoever happens to be the target on Night 1.
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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby Gaucho on Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:49 am

Ah yes, what columbia said.
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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby Kraftster on Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:55 am

Well, I guess I've never understood the thinking of protecting yourself on Night 1. In most games the angel cannot protect himself on consecutive nights. If I am red, I always assume that the angel is exposed on even nights because most of the time the angel protects himself on Night 1, thus setting up a 3, 5, 7, etc. protection sequence.

I guess the unstated premise of my conclusion that they are equally likely is "assuming its equally likely that the angel would protect himself or someone else." You guys don't agree with that, and, you're probably right that its more likely the angel protected himself. I just don't see SDD misleading us.
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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby Kraftster on Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:56 am

columbia wrote:
2) MWB is the green angel and the reds happened to hit him? A 1 in 15 shot, i.e., just as unlikely as the angel happening to protect the target on Night 1.


1 in 12 shot actually.



Good point.
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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby relantel on Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:58 am

in redwill's defense, I think he is being strung up for responding to my post that we could not assume he was blue.
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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby relantel on Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:58 am

* where he = MWB
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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby shafnutz05 on Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:03 am

I dunno...I just find it bizarre that MWB was outed as blue in the writeup. Don't think it's a valid reason to go after Redwill.

One thing is for sure, we need participation from more than just half the group.
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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby Sam's Drunk Dog on Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:10 am

Vote count:

Willie Kool - 2 (Gaucho, Kraftster)
redwill - 2 (columbia, PFIDC)
PFIDC - 1 (shafnutz05)
mac5155 - 1 (NAN)
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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby Willie Kool on Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:11 am

relantel wrote:in redwill's defense, I think he is being strung up for responding to my post that we could not assume he was blue.

I agree rel. I don't see anything really suspicious in redwill's comments.
Kraftster wrote: 2) MWB is the green angel and the reds happened to hit him? A 1 in 15 shot, i.e., just as unlikely as the angel happening to protect the target on Night 1.

MWB being the angel seems to be the most likely scenario. Seems like Kraftster is the one trying to spread confusion.
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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby newarenanow on Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:11 am

My thoughts are this:

I'm assuming MWB is the angel. I think most people that are in that role would protect themselves on Night 1, because you have no idea reds will target, and it's a giant crap shoot.

As for the name being in blue, I don't think the mods intended anything with that. I went through some of the past game threads and it seems that there is no rhyme or reason with color when the person is mentioned in the wrtieup, only when they are killed and it reveals what they were.
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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby Sam's Drunk Dog on Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:13 am

Vote count:

Willie Kool - 2 (Gaucho, Kraftster)
redwill - 2 (columbia, PFIDC)
PFIDC - 1 (shafnutz05)
mac5155 - 1 (NAN)
Kraftster - 1 (Willie Kool)

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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby Benny Fitz on Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:13 am

Willie Kool wrote:MWB being the angel seems to be the most likely scenario. Seems like Kraftster is the one trying to spread confusion.
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he already said he wasnt the angel.

he = MWB
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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby Willie Kool on Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:15 am

Benny Fitz wrote:
Willie Kool wrote:MWB being the angel seems to be the most likely scenario. Seems like Kraftster is the one trying to spread confusion.
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he already said he wasnt the angel.

he = MWB

If you were the angel, would you want to be outed on day 1? I would say I wasn't the angel too, even if I was.
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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby Benny Fitz on Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:15 am

Willie Kool wrote:
Benny Fitz wrote:
Willie Kool wrote:MWB being the angel seems to be the most likely scenario. Seems like Kraftster is the one trying to spread confusion.
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he already said he wasnt the angel.

he = MWB

If you were the angel, would you want to be outed on day 1? I would say I wasn't the angel too, even if I was.


ah, i see. so you're re-outting him? brilliant!
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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby Willie Kool on Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:16 am

^were
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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby TheHammer24 on Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:20 am

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:evil: :evil: Take that! :evil: :evil:

I suppose I started the MWB is blue trend. Regardless, at least almost certainly know he's good, and we didn't know that about the other 14 people. Also, beyond MWB being the angel, being protected by the angel, or being a protected red, isn't it possible that the game was predetermined not to have a kill on night one so we could have a sheriff? Maybe that would be an unfair twist.

Don't really get the redwill votes.
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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby Willie Kool on Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:20 am

Benny Fitz wrote:
Willie Kool wrote:
Benny Fitz wrote:
Willie Kool wrote:MWB being the angel seems to be the most likely scenario. Seems like Kraftster is the one trying to spread confusion.
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he already said he wasnt the angel.

he = MWB

If you were the angel, would you want to be outed on day 1? I would say I wasn't the angel too, even if I was.


ah, i see. so you're re-outting him? brilliant!

Yeah, OK, everyone else believes his denial? Just saying how I would play it.
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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby Willie Kool on Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:22 am

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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby Kraftster on Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:22 am

TheHammer24 wrote:Lynch Willie Kool

:evil: :evil: Take that! :evil: :evil:

I suppose I started the MWB is blue trend. Regardless, at least almost certainly know he's good, and we didn't know that about the other 14 people. Also, beyond MWB being the angel, being protected by the angel, or being a protected red, isn't it possible that the game was predetermined not to have a kill on night one so we could have a sheriff? Maybe that would be an unfair twist.

Don't really get the redwill votes.


This was my thought also. I just do not believe SDD's intentional use of blue was designed to confuse. I'm reading it as its written. MWB is blue, i.e., not the angel.
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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby columbia on Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:24 am

<spittoon shot>

I believe we have a game here.
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Re: Tombstone Warz Game Thread

Postby Sam's Drunk Dog on Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:25 am

Vote count:

Willie Kool - 3 (Gaucho, Kraftster, TheHammer24)
redwill - 2 (columbia, PFIDC)
PFIDC - 1 (shafnutz05)
mac5155 - 1 (NAN)
Kraftster - 1 (Willie Kool)

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