Pavel Bure wrote:pekkasteele wrote:I was looking up the drafts and noticed, 2005 was a good year for us, we drafted 3 players currently on the HNL roster, and traded for 2 more.
We didn't draft two of those players.

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Pavel Bure wrote:pekkasteele wrote:I was looking up the drafts and noticed, 2005 was a good year for us, we drafted 3 players currently on the HNL roster, and traded for 2 more.
We didn't draft two of those players.
Hockeynut! wrote:I posted this about a year ago:
If Detroit had any ideas Zetterberg was going to be an impact player - or even an NHL regular - they would have picked him ahead of Jari Tolsa who they took at 120, Andrei Maximenko who they took at 149 and Kent McDonell who they took at 180. They get way too much credit for selecting him. He was simply a player who far exceeded everyone's expectations and Det was the lucky team who ended up with him.
The Datsyuk pick is even more of a joke. The Wings drafted Jiri Fischer, Ryan Barnes, Tomek Valtonen, Jake McCracken, Brent Hobday, Calle Steen and Adam Deleeuw a ahead of him. 7 crappy plays ahead of Datsyuk, but they still get lauded as "amazing talent scouts".
pens#1 wrote:If its that easy and just luck then what in the world is Shero and most of the other GM's doing- basically this thread comes down to Shero drafts have been terrible so far ( his trades have been excellent).
DesertPenguin wrote:Looking at the whole list, Shero had a horrible 2007 draft, but otherwise has been on par with Patrick.
Corvidae wrote:pens#1 wrote:the problem with the 2005 draft is that it was done by CP - not Shero
I'm still waiting for Shero to draft an NHL regular besides Staal.
Sheriff66 wrote:Corvidae wrote:pens#1 wrote:the problem with the 2005 draft is that it was done by CP - not Shero
I'm still waiting for Shero to draft an NHL regular besides Staal.
Yeah, nobody he ever picked will make the NHL roster
MRandall25 wrote:Sheriff66 wrote:Corvidae wrote:pens#1 wrote:the problem with the 2005 draft is that it was done by CP - not Shero
I'm still waiting for Shero to draft an NHL regular besides Staal.
Yeah, nobody he ever picked will make the NHL roster
"NHL regular".
The guys we've drafted so far have either stayed in the AHL or have only been up for injuries and get sent back down. He has a point.
Sheriff66 wrote:MRandall25 wrote:Sheriff66 wrote:Corvidae wrote:pens#1 wrote:the problem with the 2005 draft is that it was done by CP - not Shero
I'm still waiting for Shero to draft an NHL regular besides Staal.
Yeah, nobody he ever picked will make the NHL roster
"NHL regular".
The guys we've drafted so far have either stayed in the AHL or have only been up for injuries and get sent back down. He has a point.
Despres, Bennett, Morrow and probably Harrington and Kuhnhackel will be NHL regulars but it takes time, Jeffrey would be if not for injuries, Strait probably would be if not for FA signings on defense. There are other with a good chance as well, but once again, these things take time.
ShaPe wrote:I find it funny when people say wings had luck. Wings have a different draft philosophy. Its boom or bust. They rather take a player with high potential in one area and try to develope his other weakness than to try to draft a good overall player that will end up on the 3rd line.
They know 3rd and 4th liners can be had easily but stars are harder to get.
So yes some luck has to do with Zetterberg and Dats developed to stars and most of their picks fail but thats how they draft. Big risk big reward.
Shero and CP for that matter just take a good overall player that is more lock to just make it to the NHL. Right or wrong its just two complete ways of drafting
MRandell25 wrote:Key word is "will".
Corv is referring to now, the present. Presently, Staal is the only one.
Sheriff66 wrote:MRandell25 wrote:Key word is "will".
Corv is referring to now, the present. Presently, Staal is the only one.
I would include Jeffrey also, he was a regular until he was injured. Saying Shero drafting has not been good is just jumping the gun IMO, most players take time to develop so you don't know for years down the road. I think we start seeing the fruits of his labor very soon at the NHL level.
columbia wrote:Sheriff66 wrote:MRandell25 wrote:Key word is "will".
Corv is referring to now, the present. Presently, Staal is the only one.
I would include Jeffrey also, he was a regular until he was injured. Saying Shero drafting has not been good is just jumping the gun IMO, most players take time to develop so you don't know for years down the road. I think we start seeing the fruits of his labor very soon at the NHL level.
To no avail, I tried to make this point after some wereover drafting Despres.
Sheriff66 wrote:In a few years there will be a "Shero is a draft master" thread.
Saying Shero drafting has not been good is just jumping the gun IMO, most players take time to develop so you don't know for years down the road. I think we start seeing the fruits of his labor very soon at the NHL level.
Pavel Bure wrote:This team has been blessed with capable NHL talent to the point that they can afford to insulate their draft picks and not rush them to the NHL. I don't know why that's a bad thing.
MRandall25 wrote:Pavel Bure wrote:This team has been blessed with capable NHL talent to the point that they can afford to insulate their draft picks and not rush them to the NHL. I don't know why that's a bad thing.
I guess to elaborate on Corv's point, it's not a bad thing, until you start losing those guys with NHL talent for various reasons (FA, injuries, etc). Then you're stuck with a bunch of Tangradi's who appear to be too good for the minors, but not good enough for the NHL.
Idoit40fans wrote:He started drafting in 2006. Thats 6 full seasons ago. Which of his draft picks are developing to the point that they might contribute soon? Despres.
Corvidae wrote:Idoit40fans wrote:He started drafting in 2006. Thats 6 full seasons ago. Which of his draft picks are developing to the point that they might contribute soon? Despres.
If Shero and Co actually allow a young rookie to play. That rarely happens outside of Crosby, Malkin, and Staal. I think Letang might be the only one.
Corvidae wrote:Sheriff66 wrote:In a few years there will be a "Shero is a draft master" thread.
No need for a faceplam, really. That will be pretty cool if it happens.
Nevertheless, right now, NOW, Shero has drafted 1 player who takes regular NHL shifts on any team in 6 years.
"BUT WHAT ABOUT ____?! THEY'RE GONNA MAKE..." - That's not right NOW is it?
"But Jeffery could be..." - But he isn't.
I'm not sure how anyone can argue with a post that's a fact and not an opinion. Shero joined the team in 2006. Anyone want to tell me I'm wrong because he could have been hired in 2005 if Patrick got fired faster?Saying Shero drafting has not been good is just jumping the gun IMO, most players take time to develop so you don't know for years down the road. I think we start seeing the fruits of his labor very soon at the NHL level.
I agree with that we'll start to see the fruits of his labor very soon at the NHL level. And you might not be able to say he's been bad, but until they actually get to the NHL, you certainly can't say he's been good.
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