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Crosby's Next Contract

Postby thehockeyguru on Wed May 16, 2012 9:09 am

I'm curious as to what people think Crosby's cap hit will be per year after he re-ups. I've heard all sorts of numbers, but I just can't see him taking much more than the 8.7 per that he makes now. He doesn't seem like a guy who is all about the money and as Captain it would really set the tone for others to take a little less than market price.
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby shafnutz05 on Wed May 16, 2012 9:11 am

We need to confuse Crosby's scrambled brain with math
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby Malkamaniac on Wed May 16, 2012 9:19 am

2.5 million. He's damaged goods.
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby columbia on Wed May 16, 2012 9:19 am

Malkamaniac wrote:2.5 million. He's damaged goods.


Shad scrambled his brain with meth, so I should think so.
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby Troy Loney on Wed May 16, 2012 9:24 am

It's gotta be less than the best player in the world's contract....so $3.5M
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby sil on Wed May 16, 2012 9:54 am

I'm guessing a 3-5 year deal worth the exact same cap hit.
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby darkstar57 on Wed May 16, 2012 9:59 am

8 years, 7 million dollar cap hit

keeps the whole 87 thing with his contracts going
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby thehockeyguru on Wed May 16, 2012 10:00 am

sil wrote:I'm guessing a 3-5 year deal worth the exact same cap hit.


This was my line of thinking.
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby topshelf66 on Wed May 16, 2012 10:14 am

Amount: whatever he wants.

Term: as long as he wants.
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby thehockeyguru on Wed May 16, 2012 10:19 am

topshelf66 wrote:Amount: whatever he wants.

Term: as long as he wants.


That's pretty much a given, but the question is what will he likely demand? Is he going for top dollar? A bit of a discount to keep the team intact?
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby columbia on Wed May 16, 2012 10:21 am

I won't know what to say, if he thinks having an even more skewed cap distribution is a good thing.
But we'll see...it's his right to try and get paid as much as he can.
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby sil on Wed May 16, 2012 10:21 am

darkstar57 wrote:8 years, 7 million dollar cap hit

keeps the whole 87 thing with his contracts going


Love it. Do it.
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby Pens15 on Wed May 16, 2012 10:24 am

topshelf66 wrote:Amount: whatever he wants.

Term: as long as he wants.


This is insanity. He had a market value just like anybody else. What if he asks for 10 years 100 million? I'd balk at that.
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby Froggy on Wed May 16, 2012 10:26 am

No agent in the world is going to let a 25 year old superstar take a pay cut, regardless of injury history. Best case scenario, he takes the same 8.7mill/year deal
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby sil on Wed May 16, 2012 10:27 am

Pens15 wrote:
topshelf66 wrote:Amount: whatever he wants.

Term: as long as he wants.


This is insanity. He had a market value just like anybody else. What if he asks for 10 years 100 million? I'd balk at that.


Agree to it, but insist on no NTC's or NMC's...then start the Crosby sweepstakes and steal somebody's whole farm.
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby sil on Wed May 16, 2012 10:27 am

Froggy wrote:No agent in the world is going to let a 25 year old superstar take a pay cut, regardless of injury history. Best case scenario, he takes the same 8.7mill/year deal


I still see this as the most likely scenario.
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby Pitts on Wed May 16, 2012 10:33 am

He didn't have nearly as many points as James Neal last season, so anything over $4.5 mil is crazy talk! If he demands more, let him walk!
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed May 16, 2012 10:47 am

If you're in a fantasy cap league, maybe you do not give Crosby the max. If you're running a business, he is a bargain at the maximum player salary.
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby shafnutz05 on Wed May 16, 2012 10:52 am

topshelf66 wrote:Amount: whatever he wants.

Term: as long as he wants.


For some reason, answers like this irritate me. I'm not denying that Sid is an extraordinarily valuable player, but these decisions aren't made in a vacuum.
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed May 16, 2012 11:07 am

shafnutz05 wrote:
topshelf66 wrote:Amount: whatever he wants.

Term: as long as he wants.


For some reason, answers like this irritate me. I'm not denying that Sid is an extraordinarily valuable player, but these decisions aren't made in a vacuum.


Yes, they're business decisions. He's worth more to the Penguins than he can ask for under the CBA.
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby Pens15 on Wed May 16, 2012 11:15 am

Idoit40fans wrote:
shafnutz05 wrote:
topshelf66 wrote:Amount: whatever he wants.

Term: as long as he wants.


For some reason, answers like this irritate me. I'm not denying that Sid is an extraordinarily valuable player, but these decisions aren't made in a vacuum.


Yes, they're business decisions. He's worth more to the Penguins than he can ask for under the CBA.


Eh. Maybe true but I don't get why. I don't think he's really the marketing empire he's made out to be.

These days he's more concussion poster boy than the Michael Jordan of hockey.
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby Pitt87 on Wed May 16, 2012 11:26 am

thehockeyguru wrote:
topshelf66 wrote:Amount: whatever he wants.

Term: as long as he wants.


That's pretty much a given, but the question is what will he likely demand? Is he going for top dollar? A bit of a discount to keep the team intact?


Today's CBA mandates that one player can only consume 20% of the overall cap. He should get 20% in that case, unless it changes in the next CBA, then he should get the max under that agreement.

I've mentioned this previously and don't believe that there are any restrictions on the Penguins offering part of his compensation in the form of team ownership. This would be similar to how most executives and key personnel in corporations are compensated (thats right, most executives don't get $20 million in cash every year...), which has two affects:

1. Its a retention plan - Sid will always be a part of this organization, during and after his career.
2. It limits the exposure to cash outlays for the organization - This is what put the team in bankruptcy and cause us to lose players like Jagr and Kovalev when things got worse... money owed to players. Its basically how Mario ended up being re-paid the amounts he was owed also... converted it to equity.
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby ffemtreed on Wed May 16, 2012 11:31 am

Crosby is a winner and wants to win, he is smart enough to know the more he takes the less that is spent on talent around him.

I do expect a raise and Shero's normal 3 year term for him because of the injuries. I don't see the Pens trying to play a cap game with front loaded contracts or anything like that. My guess is 9.0m 9.25 and 9.35. Expect Geno to take the same unless he completly tears up the league next year or goes into hiding.

Staal is the harder issue, if I were GM i would be between 5 and 6 for staal. 6 is pushing it for me I would rather be closer to the 5 mark but the small amount of difference isn't worth losing staal over unless there is a good trade out there that makes sense.
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby Pavel Bure on Wed May 16, 2012 11:32 am

If Sid wants that 20% number I can't give it to him... I look for a trade. That's just too much to lock up in a guy that has his injury history. Let some other team take on that albatross. I don't think Crosby will do that, in fact I don't think he can command his current salary given his injury history. I like the 8 years 7M number.
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Re: Crosby's Next Contract

Postby columbia on Wed May 16, 2012 11:34 am

Pavel Bure wrote:If Sid wants that 20% number I can't give it to him... I look for a trade. That's just too much to lock up in a guy that has his injury history. Let some other team take on that albatross. I don't think Crosby will do that, in fact I don't think he can command his current salary given his injury history. I like the 8 years 7M number.


I wouldn't want to be the person paying the insurance premium, on an 8 year contract for Crosby.
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