Moderators: Three Stars, dagny, pfim, netwolf
no name wrote:You will see a drop in the salary floor, to help the small market teams who are still bleeding money.
I think the players will want a lowering in the age a player can reach free agency.
Owners will want a limit on players contracts in years, and restrictions on how the money can be laid out over the contract. The Kovalchuk rule if you may, long term deals made to lower the cap hit owers will reword it.
Players will want in the owners books to see how much money is really made.
And of course money distribution, 57%to players, owners want it reduced, players want it the same.
Nizzy wrote:no name wrote:You will see a drop in the salary floor, to help the small market teams who are still bleeding money.
I think the players will want a lowering in the age a player can reach free agency.
Owners will want a limit on players contracts in years, and restrictions on how the money can be laid out over the contract. The Kovalchuk rule if you may, long term deals made to lower the cap hit owers will reword it.
Players will want in the owners books to see how much money is really made.
And of course money distribution, 57%to players, owners want it reduced, players want it the same.
I remember when the cap got to 50M I said, wow they need to cap that cap and keep it steady/locked or if it gets too high the same 4 organizations: Flyers/Rangers/Detroit/Tor will just be the ones spending the most money every year while 20 other organizations can't do that. Now its rumored to hit 70M....
In 3 more years at this pace it will be 2001-2004 all over again.
RisslingsMissingTeeth wrote:My absolute pure hatred of baseball will be all that you get out of this post.
RisslingsMissingTeeth wrote:My absolute pure hatred of baseball stems from 20%, the game is a stupid waste of time, and 80%, it is the biggest joke of a league in modern sports where small teams feed big teams and everyone loses. Saying anything to suggest that the NHL should look like that train wreck and not the complete success that the NFL is, is not worthy of any further discussion.
columbia wrote:RisslingsMissingTeeth wrote:My absolute pure hatred of baseball stems from 20%, the game is a stupid waste of time, and 80%, it is the biggest joke of a league in modern sports where small teams feed big teams and everyone loses. Saying anything to suggest that the NHL should look like that train wreck and not the complete success that the NFL is, is not worthy of any further discussion.
Just to flesh that out, you'd like a more compressed cap range and perhaps revenue sharing?
no name wrote:Mikey287:
Letting teams flex their spending muscle would quickly make the NHL like MLB baseball, even if you open it up a little more. drop the floor and raise the ceiling you are creating a market that is harder and harder for the small guy to compete. The big clubs already open that gap by offering long term, low cap hit deals. The flyers do it by putting players on the unable to perform list so they don't count against the cap hit. Big market teams will find a way, and exercise buy outs more often to save money on the cap. They spend money to free up cap space. Let them do that. Don't give them a little more room, give them a inch they will take a mile. Look at the baseball rules, spend over x and you have to pay the other club Y, Y is so small it doesn't level the playing field.
The Pens are in a nice place right now spending to the ceiling, once big name draws like Crosby and Malkin are gone, we are going to be concidered a small market and once again be glad the ceiling and floor are the way they are.
NHL games are averaging 5.44 goals per game this season, down a half a goal per game since the league returned from the lockout for the 2005-2006 season.
2003-04 - 5.14 goals per game (pre-lockout)
2005-06 - 6.16 goals per game
2006-07 - 5.89 goals per game
2007-08 - 5.56 goals per game
2008-09 - 5.82 goals per game
2009-10 - 5.68 goals per gam
2010-11 - 5.59 goals per game
2011-12 - 5.44 goals per game
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/316276/ ... m?page=all (source)
mikey287 wrote:Buzz words like "clutch and grab" and "trap" and "dead puck era" are nothing but fluff to explain away scoring going down. This isn't the so-called, clutch and grab era that we saw pre-lockout, not even close...
sil wrote:mikey287 wrote:Buzz words like "clutch and grab" and "trap" and "dead puck era" are nothing but fluff to explain away scoring going down. This isn't the so-called, clutch and grab era that we saw pre-lockout, not even close...
It's also serving as scapegoat for some people as to why Philly beat the pens.
mikey287 wrote:Nizzy wrote:no name wrote:You will see a drop in the salary floor, to help the small market teams who are still bleeding money.
I think the players will want a lowering in the age a player can reach free agency.
Owners will want a limit on players contracts in years, and restrictions on how the money can be laid out over the contract. The Kovalchuk rule if you may, long term deals made to lower the cap hit owers will reword it.
Players will want in the owners books to see how much money is really made.
And of course money distribution, 57%to players, owners want it reduced, players want it the same.
I remember when the cap got to 50M I said, wow they need to cap that cap and keep it steady/locked or if it gets too high the same 4 organizations: Flyers/Rangers/Detroit/Tor will just be the ones spending the most money every year while 20 other organizations can't do that. Now its rumored to hit 70M....
In 3 more years at this pace it will be 2001-2004 all over again.
But it's tied to a set of a numbers. In 2004, it was just whatever money you had under the mattress, so the Rangers would spend $80 million and the Wild would spend $24 million. Now the amount that teams can spend is tied to how much league revenue is brought in. Also, how much a team has to spend is tied to the same number. It's regulated now. Who cares if the number becomes $425 million, the point is that it's tied to growth.
The NHL has more parity than any other sport, period. You can't cap the cap and expect the players to be happy because you're also capping their earning power which they collectively bargained for. Also, why can't bigger market teams spend more? Why does it have to be communistic? Why can't Detroit spend $65 million to Minnesota's $45 million? You can still more than compete with a $45 million payroll...there's a lot of means to acquire players, the whole world is open, coaching is getting better every day...we haven't had any expansion teams in 12 years, so it's not like there's any weak sisters...
I mean, I don't want a Yankees/Red Sox/Phillies vs. all deal in the NHL, but I"m also confident that will never happen. The big market teams also put money back into the pot for the lesser teams, so why shouldn't they be able to flex their spending muscle a little if that's the way they feel is best? I mean, look at the Rangers: yeah, they got Richards and Gaborik as big free agents, sure...but a lot of that team is homegrown (Girardi, Staal, Del Zotto, Kreider, Hagelin, Anisimov, Callahan, Dubinsky, Lundqvist all have called the Rangers their only organization), they'll eventually need to pay them too...
The system isn't doing that poorly. Yeah, the salary cap floor is a little wonky, but you can iron that out. Is it perfect? No. Far from it. But I don't have better solution and it seems to be working adequately.
mikey287 wrote:
The NHL has more parity than any other sport, period. You can't cap the cap and expect the players to be happy because you're also capping their earning power which they collectively bargained for. Also, why can't bigger market teams spend more? Why does it have to be communistic? Why can't Detroit spend $65 million to Minnesota's $45 million? You can still more than compete with a $45 million payroll...there's a lot of means to acquire players, the whole world is open, coaching is getting better every day...we haven't had any expansion teams in 12 years, so it's not like there's any weak sisters...
Users browsing this forum: Big Easy Pens Fan, lemieuxReturns and 27 guests