Rob Scuderi vs Paul Martin

[Sam's Drunk Dog]

Watching Rob Scuderi in these playoffs makes me wish we had re-signed him when he was a FA instead of later signing Paul Martin. Scuderi's cap hit of $3.4M looks very manageable in hindsight now as opposed to Martin's hit of $5.5M.

[sil]

Watching Rob Scuderi in these playoffs makes me wish we had re-signed him when he was a FA instead of later signing Paul Martin. Scuderi's cap hit of $3.4M looks very manageable in hindsight now as opposed to Martin's hit of $5.5M.

Martin's cap hit is $5,000,000.

When Scuds hit UFA status, we had almost no cap space to sign him, or anyone else...both Malkin and Staal took over their on their second contracts that off-season. An increase of about $12,000,000 against the cap.

[Defence21]

His cap hit is very manageable...now. Problem is, they didn't have the money to sign him then, and his cap hit at the time was considered to be high. With hindsight, we have the knowledge that the cap is significantly higher now than it was then.

Would I love to have Scuderi now? Absolutely. Did I want him re-signed back then? Absolutely. Am I aware that it was next to impossible to retain him back then given the myriad of circumstance? Absolutely.

Hindsight is 20/20.

[meow]

If I remember correctly, I think Scuderi gave the Pens the chance to match any offer that he received. The cap prevent them from matching.

[darkstar57]

Ironically i think Scuderi would make a good partner for Martin

[Pitt87]

Ironically i think Scuderi would make a good partner for Martin

I think PMart should be Alex Picard's partner, but his NMC prevents it.

[darkstar57]

Ironically i think Scuderi would make a good partner for Martin

I think PMart should be Alex Picard's partner, but his NMC prevents it.

Is that Jean-Luc's nephew?

[Senka]

Lets start a petition, everyone sends in $1 somewhere. We'll buy him out.

PS: Everyone spoke so highly of Gill and Scuds, but only Scuds gets chat now. And Scudichar got bashed for how long? Just saying.

[Malkamaniac]

We didn't have the cap room to re-sign scuds at the cost he was bought on the FA market for. Can't say that enough.

[DelPen]

If they had signed Scuderi and someone cheap instead of Guerin and Fedotenko that would have worked:

Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis
Staal-Malkin-Kennedy
Cooke-Lestetu-Borque
Rupp-Talbot-Adams

Letang-Scuderi
Gonchar-Orpik
Eaton-Gogo

That would ahve all fit under the cap with no problem.

[steelhammer]

We didn't have the cap room to re-sign scuds at the cost he was bought on the FA market for. Can't say that enough.

Perhaps the delicate genius Shero could have had some foresight and not let it come to the FA market in the first place? Then he doubled down losing a decent draft pick before overspending on the M&M connection.

[shmenguin]

scuderi is so damn impressive with LA. last night they even showed him on the bench doing some serious coaching towards dustin brown. at the time, i thought the contract LA was un-matchable. even if we could have fit it under the cap. but now...different story.

[columbia]

I don't know that anyone here thought that Scuds was worth $3.5M at the time.

[shmenguin]

We didn't have the cap room to re-sign scuds at the cost he was bought on the FA market for. Can't say that enough.

Perhaps the delicate genius Shero could have had some foresight and not let it come to the FA market in the first place? Then he doubled down losing a decent draft pick before overspending on the M&M connection.

that's a good point. scuderi's trajectory was very stable. he didn't have high peaks or low dips. RS should have had enough data to swoop in and lock him up at a discounted rate before a zillion people saw him in the finals and knew him as "the piece". it's possible scuderi wanted to test the market all along, but if not - i don't know why they wouldn't have tried to lock him up.

[Digitalgypsy66]

I don't know that anyone here thought that Scuds was worth $3.5M at the time.

Yeah, the sentiment was "Too high, but good luck in LA."

[Defence21]

Alternative point of view. Scuderi is succeeding in the defense-orientated Kings system -- similar to the way Martin succeeded in the defense-oriented Devils system and they way Michalek succeeded in the defense-oriented Coyotes system. I wonder how many here would be berating Shero for retaining Scuderi at that price if he was playing in Bylsma's offense-oriented system that doesn't favor immobile, one-dimensional defenders? Think the results would be the same as they are with Martin and Michalek?

It's real easy to see the green grass. It's not quite as easy to look at things in perspective.

[darkstar57]

Alternative point of view. Scuderi is succeeding in the defense-orientated Kings system -- similar to the way Martin succeeded in the defense-oriented Devils system and they way Michalek succeeded in the defense-oriented Coyotes system. I wonder how many here would be berating Shero for retaining Scuderi at that price if he was playing in Bylsma's offense-oriented system that doesn't favor immobile, one-dimensional defenders? Think the results would be the same as they are with Martin and Michalek?

It's real easy to see the green grass. It's not quite as easy to look at things in perspective.

Very solid point, scuds wasn't exactly the best at getting the pucks to the forwards quickly

[Pavel Bure]

Sooooo what was the cap when Scuds was a FA and how does his salay look when extrapolated by the percent the cap increased I bet his salary is very comparable with Martin's current salary.

[Defence21]

Here's a post from one of the most level-headed posters at LGP, Henry Hank, from July 2, 2009:

...I think that's a good signing for him. The Pens smartly can't match that. I would have liked to have Scuderi back, but not at the expense of a Gonchar or Letang after the season.

[Froggy]

If they had signed Scuderi and someone cheap instead of Guerin and Fedotenko that would have worked:

Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis
Staal-Malkin-Kennedy
Cooke-Lestetu-Borque
Rupp-Talbot-Adams

Letang-Scuderi
Gonchar-Orpik
Eaton-Gogo

That would ahve all fit under the cap with no problem.

That lineup... It's so bad that it hurts my soul. You have Kennedy miscast as a scoring line winger, a 3rd line with the dynamic duo of letestu and bork, an overrated and aging Mark Eaton, and lady gogo still stinking up our back end.

Unless you are joking, then it is hilarious. Impossible to tell with you

[shmenguin]

Alternative point of view. Scuderi is succeeding in the defense-orientated Kings system -- similar to the way Martin succeeded in the defense-oriented Devils system and they way Michalek succeeded in the defense-oriented Coyotes system. I wonder how many here would be berating Shero for retaining Scuderi at that price if he was playing in Bylsma's offense-oriented system that doesn't favor immobile, one-dimensional defenders? Think the results would be the same as they are with Martin and Michalek?

It's real easy to see the green grass. It's not quite as easy to look at things in perspective.

maybe. but that's only if you think that martin's mental mistakes are simply a result of him playing in a certain system. that doesn't jive with me. he was great in this system from january to march. he was terrible in october through december. i don't understand how you could reconcile his play during those 2 periods of time if the system is to blame.

martin and scuderi are pretty opposite. scuderi has limited skill and physical ability. martin has good skill and can skate well. scuderi is a meticulous player who specializes in simply making the "right" play. martin is too frequently the most careless player on the ice. so ultimately, i doubt they would look too similar on this team.

[shmenguin]

If they had signed Scuderi and someone cheap instead of Guerin and Fedotenko that would have worked:

Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis
Staal-Malkin-Kennedy
Cooke-Lestetu-Borque
Rupp-Talbot-Adams

Letang-Scuderi
Gonchar-Orpik
Eaton-Gogo

That would ahve all fit under the cap with no problem.

That lineup... It's so bad that it hurts my soul. You have Kennedy miscast as a scoring line winger, a 3rd line with the dynamic duo of letestu and bork, an overrated and aging Mark Eaton, and lady gogo still stinking up our back end.

Unless you are joking, then it is hilarious. Impossible to tell with you

the counter to that is fedotenko and guerin were abysmal that year, so whoever they would be replaced with weren't going to make things much worse.

[MRandall25]

If they had signed Scuderi and someone cheap instead of Guerin and Fedotenko that would have worked:

Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis
Staal-Malkin-Kennedy
Cooke-Lestetu-Borque
Rupp-Talbot-Adams

Letang-Scuderi
Gonchar-Orpik
Eaton-Gogo

That would ahve all fit under the cap with no problem.

That lineup... It's so bad that it hurts my soul. You have Kennedy miscast as a scoring line winger, a 3rd line with the dynamic duo of letestu and bork, an overrated and aging Mark Eaton, and lady gogo still stinking up our back end.

Unless you are joking, then it is hilarious. Impossible to tell with you

the counter to that is fedotenko and guerin were abysmal that year, so whoever they would be replaced with weren't going to make things much worse.

Chris Bourque was pretty damn bad.

[Fire0nice228]

Would have been bad for one year then much better when GoGo was traded for Neal and the cap goes up making Scuds look like a steal

[lemieuxReturns]

Perhaps the delicate genius Shero could have had some foresight and not let it come to the FA market in the first place? Then he doubled down losing a decent draft pick before overspending on the M&M connection.

Exactly! It is a good GM's job to understand and reward a players worth before the entire league also realizes that players worth. Shero has screwed that up a few times for sure.