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Staal Trade Analysis

Postby GenoSidStaalsy on Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:39 pm

Can someone that knows something about the guys we got back provide some analysis as to if this was a good trade. Probably worth its own thread.
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby RainbowsAndCottonCandy on Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:42 pm

Brandon Sutter - We have all seen him, we know what we are getting here.

Bryan Dumoulin - Might be the best defender in college hockey. He is 6'3 with great skating and lots of offensive upside. This is a good pick up for the pens and will just add depth to our already deep defensive core and minor league system.

Im not sure about Poulliot.
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby pfim on Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:43 pm

Dumoulin is from Maine, so you know he's good.
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby SCrosby87 on Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:45 pm

Guys -- Is this a good tradE?
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby Nizzy on Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:49 pm

Remember Staal played vs 2nd/3rd line defensive pairings when other teams focused on Crosby/Malkin. I'm not so sure yet Jordan is going to Carolina and going to put up 80+ points like nothing.

Staal put Shero in this spot. LIMITED OPTIONS. I'm surprised Carolina DID US A FAVOR by still doing this deal. I still can't believe we have the 22nd overall pick as well.

Sutter, long term 3rd line C. Another big body guy.
Dumoulin - don't know anything about him but hes 6'3", bigger body defenseman. College? Maybe he can step in sooner...
Poulliot - ...thought it was Forsberg for sure.

Just remember... Shero took Ryan Whitney and got us Kunitz/Tangradi (won cup next year Kunitz was huge)
Shero took Goligoski who in my opinion doesn't know defense, too weak still, for 80 point player in Neal and Niskanen a more overall game.


HE WILL GET ASSETS FROM THIS DEAL WHERE WE NEED THEM. BELIEVE IN SHERO. HE WON'T TAKE ANY JUNK FROM PLAYERS. HE PULLED THE TRIG. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Love Jordan but I feel like that was an immature move. Too much talking with family in offseason, new wife probably wanted to live in Carolina, things could be as simple as that.
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby Pitt87 on Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:49 pm

SCrosby87 wrote:Guys -- Is this a good tradE?

Traade... :scared:
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby pittsports87 on Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:50 pm

Shero turned a #2 overall pick into a #8, #11, and #45.

I really like Sutter, can't wait to see him play for the Pens. Right handed center, wins 50% of his draws, has a lot of potential that he can definitely reach here. Very solid defensively, will lead the PK for years to come.

Not sure about the two defensmen but they are both very young and we are stacked with defensive prospects now.
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby joe on Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:12 pm

Thanks everyone in this thread. I feel 100% better after reading all the posts here. Shero does his homework. He is not done yet. Thanks again
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby Bioshock on Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:17 pm

It's a very good trade. Especially when you consider the circumstances surrounding it.
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby burton87 on Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:02 pm

Jordan Staal turned down a 10 year 60 MILLION dollar contract to NOT be a Pittsburgh Penguin.

Why keep a player on the team if he doesn't want to be part of it.

Good trade-- dump that mindset now and why not get younger



Although thanks for this Jordan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL3ejFPofPM
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby Pen48guins on Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:15 pm

joe wrote:Thanks everyone in this thread. I feel 100% better after reading all the posts here. Shero does his homework. He is not done yet. Thanks again



Feel better after reading this too.
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:17 pm

Bioshock wrote:It's a very good trade. Especially when you consider the circumstances surrounding it.


This. Hard to trade a guy for full value if he wants to go. Great return.

The key is the prospects clearly, it's a step back for us at 3rd line ctr. I like Sutter but it's what we do with the cap space and if we get some long term play from the youngster dmen that will make me happy or sad.
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby columbia on Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:23 pm

Rutherford couldn't rip off Shero and retain his integrity, so I suspect that he overpaid relative to the market (given the circumstances).
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby Nizzy on Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:25 pm

Shero isn't done yet in my opinion...i have a big feeling Pouliot or Maatta will be gone before July 1st for something.
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby Bioshock on Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:40 pm

Nizzy wrote:Shero isn't done yet in my opinion...i have a big feeling Pouliot or Maatta will be gone before July 1st for something.



You could be right. The Pens not only have A TON of defensemen to trade but also, THESE ARE STUD DEFENSEMEN.


Shero.. you evil Genius...
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby brwi on Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:41 pm

When I'm not watching the Pens, I'm watching the Preds or Carolina usually. Sutter is a talented 3rd line center right now with some upside to his game. Very good for a 3rd line guy already and has some skill that would make him a valuable fill-in if/when Sid/Malkin are out of the line up.

Don't know if I think ths is the best move on Shero's watch as Staal is a more proven commodity than anyone else in the trade and also has some upside still himself. Sounds like Staal/agent basically told Shero there was no way in hell he'd stay in Pittsburgh and would prefer to not even stay another season as #3 center. While it was pure fantasy to expect a Skinner or Faulk in return along with the #8 pick in the draft, I think the Pens may have got the lesser end of this deal.
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby count2infinity on Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:46 pm

SCrosby87 wrote:Guys -- Is this a good tradE?


shouldn't you not be posting anymore? :lol:
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby malkinshair on Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:52 pm

brwi wrote:When I'm not watching the Pens, I'm watching the Preds or Carolina usually. Sutter is a talented 3rd line center right now with some upside to his game. Very good for a 3rd line guy already and has some skill that would make him a valuable fill-in if/when Sid/Malkin are out of the line up.

Don't know if I think ths is the best move on Shero's watch as Staal is a more proven commodity than anyone else in the trade and also has some upside still himself. Sounds like Staal/agent basically told Shero there was no way in hell he'd stay in Pittsburgh and would prefer to not even stay another season as #3 center. While it was pure fantasy to expect a Skinner or Faulk in return along with the #8 pick in the draft, I think the Pens may have got the lesser end of this deal.


Not if you consider the fact that the 'leak' yesterday completely undermined the leverage Shero had to play with. Stating, even indirectly, that Staal wanted to end up a 'Cane lowered the asking price for every team...including Carolina's. If no other team knew of Staal's supposed wishes, Shero could've played the field for the best possible offer. With 28 teams knowing that they were trading for a 1 year rental, well........

I'm looking at the trade as what we got with this trade vs. what we could have lost without receiving anything back.

Shero did an amazing job, IMO. You could tell by his demeanor at the podium, and in the interview after the pick, that this was an emotional and difficult decision.
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby pressure=9Pa on Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:58 pm

Carolina will benefit more than we will, because Jordan will probably sign a long term deal there with a hometown discount. That doesn't mean we lost. We got a good return for an asset that would be worth nothing in a year, and the downside for the 2012-13 season is relatively small.
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby FLPensFan on Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:23 pm

Carolina easily got the best player in the deal in Staal, but Pittsburgh made out well. Sutter is more of a typical 3rd line center. He is good defensively, good on draws, kills penalties, and still has some offensive upside. He is a better fit for 3rd line center duty than Staal. He is the same age as Staal. He is cheaper than Staal. He gives us more cap flexibility for other moves.

Domoulin is being raved about on NHL Network as a possible steal in the trade, and we got a #8 overall pick. I see a lot of people complaining we took Pouliot too high, but I would say Pittsburgh probably has a better gauge on him than others after scouting Joe Morrow.
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby opie22002 on Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:28 pm

FLPensFan wrote:Carolina easily got the best player in the deal in Staal, but Pittsburgh made out well. Sutter is more of a typical 3rd line center. He is good defensively, good on draws, kills penalties, and still has some offensive upside. He is a better fit for 3rd line center duty than Staal. He is the same age as Staal. He is cheaper than Staal. He gives us more cap flexibility for other moves.

Domoulin is being raved about on NHL Network as a possible steal in the trade, and we got a #8 overall pick. I see a lot of people complaining we took Pouliot too high, but I would say Pittsburgh probably has a better gauge on him than others after scouting Joe Morrow.


Carolina has some solid D prospects. I knew nothing about them before this week (Murphy, Faulk, and now Domoulin). Maybe Rutherford used the Shero philosophy of drafting too?
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby FLPensFan on Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:38 pm

I also left out that, it was mentioned on NHL Network that when Rutherford initially wouldn't include Sutter, Shero picked up the phone and called the Rangers. The downside of having too many brothers out there, Jordan. :) Smart, smart man GMRS.
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby Rylan on Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:39 pm

No way you trade Staal to the Rangers.
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby SolidSnake on Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:41 pm

count2infinity wrote:
SCrosby87 wrote:Guys -- Is this a good tradE?


shouldn't you not be posting anymore? :lol:

he's got (season tickets club -- where you at?)
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Re: Staal Trade Analysis

Postby Pitts on Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:51 pm

I have a question:

Where is Jamine and her "You people are idiots of you think Staal will get traded before Malkin?"
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