Hugo Stiglitz wrote:mikey287 wrote:Matt Carle is horrible defensively...why would we bring him in? And likely for at least twice the price of Niskanen...very confusing.
Matt Carle is not HORRIBLE defensively. That's quite an overstatement. I'm not a huge believer in the +/- stat, but I do believe it can be telling and looking at his +/- minus stat, they've been kind of staggering over the past few years. I'm not saying he's amazing in his own end, but he's pretty solid.
Everyone is high on Ryan Suter and while I obviously think he's better than Matt Carle, you look at their stats and they're pretty similar so I'm not sure what you'd be expecting out of him if you're in the camp of getting Suter. They're both puck-moving offensive-minded dmen. Suter is good defensively, but he's honestly not worlds above Carle in that department.
Picking up a guy like Suter or Carle is the Pens addressing the need that their transition game(something Martin was supposed to help with) needs to be stronger.
Yeah, he's quite bad defensively. He's about as good defensively as P.A. Parenteau is strong/rugged. I have no idea what his +/- numbers look like, that's a stupid stat it doesn't say much without context. Here's some context though, you are aware that in 2011 he was paired with Chris Pronger though, right? So I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that he was one of the best on the team in plus/minus or the best in 2011 and was probably one of the worst or the worst on the team this year without Pronger by his side.
Carle was nearly on his way out of the league a couple years ago because of how bad he was defensively. Granted, he's improved a bit. But this is a guy that's known for his power play ability and puck-movement...we have these guys already...it's just weird to me that we seem to be just naming players at random and then thinking they're a good idea...why are we trying to add a purely offensive defenseman? Moreover, at twice the price of Niskanen...? Why not...you know...sign Niskanen and pray that Matt Carle remains in Philadelphia?