TheHammer24 wrote:Guerin and Sullivan arent good examples. They put up decent numbers with their old clubs but signed very generous deals with the Pens. (Guerin via low cost trade). My argument is premised on a predictable price tag on Doan.
I'm not so sure Guerin was successful in NYI. He has 36 points in 61 games on the Island before being traded to Pittsburgh. SUllivan had 22 points in 44 games 2 years ago -- just before signing with the Penguins -- and 51 points in 82 games the year before. For comparison's sake, Doan had 50 points in 79 games last season, 60 in 72 the year before and 55 in 82 the year before that.
I don't think it's a stretch to say that Sullivan and Guerin came to Pittsburgh and exceeded expectations. Now, remember, this is purely in response to the notion that all veterans who come in will flop as Kovalev and Ponikarovski did. It's just not the case.
Now, to your other point, salary. How much will Doan make and is he worth it? Well, it is the open market in a shallow free agent pool. His asking price will be higher than his worth -- but that's always the case in free agency. To me, though, he's worth as much as Kunitz, which is $3.75 million. Will he fit in will the Penguins and enhance his stats? Maybe. He might also meet the status quo and put him his typical 50-60 points. That's irrelevant to what he brings that doesn't show up on the scoresheet. The Penguins need that grizzled veteran. That Gary Roberts/Bill Guerin dominant personality from an elder-statesman, not to motivate the team, but to keep them in line. Doan can be that guy. He also is nasty mean, blocks shots, kilss penalties (though admittedly not like he used to), can stand in front of the net on the power play, etc, etc. He's the classic jack of all trades, master of none. The Penguins don't necessarily need more scoring. They have a trio of forwards in Crosby, Malkin, and Neal that can outscore pretty much any team. What they need are forwards who cover the intangibles, while not bogging down the scoring lines' effectiveness. Parise can do that. But if he doesn't sign here, Doan is probably the second best fit for such a role -- despite that fact that their talent levels are on completely different stratospheres.