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neophool wrote:This team is seriously soft right now. Suter would have been a huge piece to fix that problem.
Senka wrote:Staal will be on a first line with 30 goals. Sutter will be on the 3rd with 20? Darn.
shmenguin wrote:neophool wrote:This team is seriously soft right now. Suter would have been a huge piece to fix that problem.
suter's not exactly made of sandpaper.
Hawkeynut wrote:If for some reason we go into camp with this cap space, it would most certainly send the wrong message to the team and the fans. I am not advocating Shero spend to just spend, but that Michalek move would certainly look suspect if nothing get's used in that space. Michalek was not our problem last year.
neophool wrote:shmenguin wrote:neophool wrote:This team is seriously soft right now. Suter would have been a huge piece to fix that problem.
suter's not exactly made of sandpaper.
he's also not charmin soft like pretty much our entire D corps atm. Minus Orpik the groom-to-be.
Justin Catanzarite wrote:neophool wrote:shmenguin wrote:neophool wrote:This team is seriously soft right now. Suter would have been a huge piece to fix that problem.
suter's not exactly made of sandpaper.
he's also not charmin soft like pretty much our entire D corps atm. Minus Orpik the groom-to-be.
Kris Letang is a tough SOB
shmenguin wrote:Justin Catanzarite wrote:neophool wrote:shmenguin wrote:neophool wrote:This team is seriously soft right now. Suter would have been a huge piece to fix that problem.
suter's not exactly made of sandpaper.
he's also not charmin soft like pretty much our entire D corps atm. Minus Orpik the groom-to-be.
Kris Letang is a tough SOB
And engelland is obviously no slouch. Overall, our defense is plenty tough. But I've been saying all along that team toughness isn't a real issue whatsoever.
shmenguin wrote:Senka wrote:Staal will be on a first line with 30 goals. Sutter will be on the 3rd with 20? Darn.
would 35 vs 15 be more meaningful? because that's the more likely scenario.
steelhammer wrote:shmenguin wrote:Senka wrote:Staal will be on a first line with 30 goals. Sutter will be on the 3rd with 20? Darn.
would 35 vs 15 be more meaningful? because that's the more likely scenario.
Here are the NHL players that scored 35 or more goals last season:
Stamkos
Malkin
Gaborik
Neal
Ovechkin
Kovalchuk
Kessel
Hartnell
Perry
Moulson
Vrbata
Ryder
Cole
Michalek
One thing you may notice is that all of those players have much much better shots than Jordan Staal. Eric Staal, the historically better goal scorer of the Staals, had 24 last season. Jordan has 120 goals in 431 career regular season games. The kind of offensive potential some of you see in Jordan really just isn't there.
shmenguin wrote:35 and 15 is still more likely mainly because of the "15"
steelhammer wrote:shmenguin wrote:35 and 15 is still more likely mainly because of the "15"
You're forgetting that Sutter averaged 0:26 PP time/game last season and still had 17 goals. If he gets close to 2 min/game, as the 3rd line center in Pittsburgh usually does, he could easily score 20 goals. When Staal scored 22 as a 3rd line center in 08-09, he averaged 2:19 PP time/game. He had only 2 goals to show for it.
Justin Catanzarite wrote:shmenguin wrote:Justin Catanzarite wrote:
Kris Letang is a tough SOB
And engelland is obviously no slouch. Overall, our defense is plenty tough. But I've been saying all along that team toughness isn't a real issue whatsoever.
I agree. Toughness is a mentality. We need a bit more size, with complimentary toughness.
neophool wrote:Justin Catanzarite wrote:shmenguin wrote:Justin Catanzarite wrote:
Kris Letang is a tough SOB
And engelland is obviously no slouch. Overall, our defense is plenty tough. But I've been saying all along that team toughness isn't a real issue whatsoever.
I agree. Toughness is a mentality. We need a bit more size, with complimentary toughness.
Toughness is partly a mentality, but can you honestly say toughness is not an issue after watching the Philly series? Toughness doesn't mean scrumming around after a whistle or losing your cool and headhunting - toughness is paying the price on D from getting a relentless forecheck - clearing the crease instead of stick checking and little whacks, and more then anything - working harder then the other team when the work is the hardest. While i will say those 5 games in the Philly series were hopefully not the "norm" from this D core - what i saw was the softest bunch of defenseman since a certain....rant....from a certain ex-head-coach of the Pens.
And i'll say that ZM was one of the least "soft" overall. And he's gone now.
Toughness is partly a mentality, but can you honestly say toughness is not an issue after watching the Philly series? Toughness doesn't mean scrumming around after a whistle or losing your cool and headhunting - toughness is paying the price on D from getting a relentless forecheck - clearing the crease instead of stick checking and little whacks, and more then anything - working harder then the other team when the work is the hardest. While i will say those 5 games in the Philly series were hopefully not the "norm" from this D core - what i saw was the softest bunch of defenseman since a certain....rant....from a certain ex-head-coach of the Pens.
And i'll say that ZM was one of the least "soft" overall. And he's gone now.
pensfan16 wrote:Sid and Geno must stay healthy first and foremost. I agree with with no name the pens need defense. Paul Martin has been a bust thus far. We need a scuderi type player and a Hal Gill type. I would love to see parise come to pittsburgh but if not I would look for a goal scorer for Sid. Otherwise it will be out in the first round and raise the ticket prices again.
joker10277 wrote:everyone seems to forget that sullivan was basically an empty sweater for the first two months of the season last year, dude can't play a regular shift , too small, plus sid deserves better.
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