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Tico Rick wrote:Thanks, pfim. Didn't think of that angle. I'm not sure how that would work, though, since at this point the Preds don't own the rights to Weber. "We will agree not to match your offer if you give us X, Y and Z?" That's sounds like a trade the NHL would want to take a look at, along with the contract itself.
pens#1 wrote:I am surprised there are no rumors out there about what is going on, I feel as if its a ton of money for Nashville to come up with- but with that said how much more will they lose if they dont resign him? If Nashville loses him you have to imagine Season tickets sales will drop, advertisers will drop... At the end of the day if the Preds match they are getting a number 1 Dman for his whole career for a very nice cap hit.
Pitts wrote:Tico Rick wrote:Thanks, pfim. Didn't think of that angle. I'm not sure how that would work, though, since at this point the Preds don't own the rights to Weber. "We will agree not to match your offer if you give us X, Y and Z?" That's sounds like a trade the NHL would want to take a look at, along with the contract itself.
The Preds will offer the "trade" some or all of the picks back to Philly for players.
KG wrote:Pitts wrote:Tico Rick wrote:Thanks, pfim. Didn't think of that angle. I'm not sure how that would work, though, since at this point the Preds don't own the rights to Weber. "We will agree not to match your offer if you give us X, Y and Z?" That's sounds like a trade the NHL would want to take a look at, along with the contract itself.
The Preds will offer the "trade" some or all of the picks back to Philly for players.
That doesn't sound like it should be allowed...Has that even happened before?
I remember when the Blues gave the offer sheet to Marty McSorley, LA matched and then traded him to the Pens for McEachern. But I don't think that's allowed anymore either.
I'd be surprised if Nashville could match and take the picks as compensation and then deal those picks back to the Flyers for players. Just sounds weird...
KG wrote:Pitts wrote:Tico Rick wrote:Thanks, pfim. Didn't think of that angle. I'm not sure how that would work, though, since at this point the Preds don't own the rights to Weber. "We will agree not to match your offer if you give us X, Y and Z?" That's sounds like a trade the NHL would want to take a look at, along with the contract itself.
The Preds will offer the "trade" some or all of the picks back to Philly for players.
That doesn't sound like it should be allowed...Has that even happened before?
I remember when the Blues gave the offer sheet to Marty McSorley, LA matched and then traded him to the Pens for McEachern. But I don't think that's allowed anymore either.
I'd be surprised if Nashville could match and take the picks as compensation and then deal those picks back to the Flyers for players. Just sounds weird...
pens2005 wrote:KG wrote:Pitts wrote:Tico Rick wrote:Thanks, pfim. Didn't think of that angle. I'm not sure how that would work, though, since at this point the Preds don't own the rights to Weber. "We will agree not to match your offer if you give us X, Y and Z?" That's sounds like a trade the NHL would want to take a look at, along with the contract itself.
The Preds will offer the "trade" some or all of the picks back to Philly for players.
That doesn't sound like it should be allowed...Has that even happened before?
I remember when the Blues gave the offer sheet to Marty McSorley, LA matched and then traded him to the Pens for McEachern. But I don't think that's allowed anymore either.
I'd be surprised if Nashville could match and take the picks as compensation and then deal those picks back to the Flyers for players. Just sounds weird...
It does sound weird for sure.
Why not just trade weber to the flyers for 2 firsts and the players you want?
I guess they tried that already, Philly said f off, we are signing him to an offer sheet.
My guess is that all the pressure is on Nashville as far as trades. Philly doesn't like what they offer, they simply wait it out and give up the 4 picks
They could easily make a separate trade involving picks and players and just claim that it is totally separate from this weber status.
Pitts wrote:pens2005 wrote:KG wrote:Pitts wrote:Tico Rick wrote:Thanks, pfim. Didn't think of that angle. I'm not sure how that would work, though, since at this point the Preds don't own the rights to Weber. "We will agree not to match your offer if you give us X, Y and Z?" That's sounds like a trade the NHL would want to take a look at, along with the contract itself.
The Preds will offer the "trade" some or all of the picks back to Philly for players.
That doesn't sound like it should be allowed...Has that even happened before?
I remember when the Blues gave the offer sheet to Marty McSorley, LA matched and then traded him to the Pens for McEachern. But I don't think that's allowed anymore either.
I'd be surprised if Nashville could match and take the picks as compensation and then deal those picks back to the Flyers for players. Just sounds weird...
It does sound weird for sure.
Why not just trade weber to the flyers for 2 firsts and the players you want?
I guess they tried that already, Philly said f off, we are signing him to an offer sheet.
My guess is that all the pressure is on Nashville as far as trades. Philly doesn't like what they offer, they simply wait it out and give up the 4 picks
They could easily make a separate trade involving picks and players and just claim that it is totally separate from this weber status.
It is allowed. Nashville says no to the offer sheet, and "takes the picks" as compensation.
Weber becomes Philly's property, but maybe they want to keep their picks (plus, they need to move some salary anyways), so they make a trade for those picks. It is 2 completely separate transactions.
For this: "Why not just trade weber to the flyers for 2 firsts and the players you want?" -- No can do. Since Weber signed the offer sheet, he can not be traded for one calender year by either Philly or Nashville.
brwi wrote:Pretty sure that the flyers and Preds couldn't come to terms on any potential trade(Weber was being shopped to some extent, at least offers were being entertained by several teams by Poile), and Holmgren made a bold move to basically shutdown any other team from acquiring Weber or giving more time for Nashville to extend Weber theirselves.
You can say whatever you will about Holmgren as a GM, but this was a rather brilliant move that taps into the assets the Flyers have(tons of money) and the offer sheet proposed to Weber(that he signed) isn't totally ridiculous, especially considering how every year the cost of dmen inflates ridiculously in terms of what you get as opposed to what you pay for. It shutout all the competing GM's instantly from making better offers and cleared the playing field with one stroke of the pen. If I were a Flyer fan, I'd be hailing his mad skillz right now because what he did is great for the Flyers and I am not so convinced that offer-sheeting a guy means tough times in the future in dealing with other GM's.
But as much as the Flyers’ bonus-laden, front-loaded $110 million offer to Weber was a righteous one, team chairman Ed Snider’s role in all this is as diabolical as they come, given his role as a notable hawk in the current labor negotiations.
For at the same time “Mr. Snider” authorized this offer to Weber, he is wholly supportive of the league effort to discount all but initial $13 million of the deal by nearly 25 percent.
Here is “Mr. Snider” agreeing to pay Weber $52 million in signing bonuses within the next three calendar years while engaged in an effort to prevent players from receiving even a nickel in signing bonuses going forward.
Here is “Mr. Snider” using his financial might to bulk up the Flyers while at the same time pledging to bankroll a lockout in order to stop the competition from ever doing this again.
For you see, Snider’s NBC/Comcast television contract with the NHL calls for the network to pay the league in full for this season — believed between $150 million and $160 million — even if 2012-13 is canceled in full.
Bravo to “Mr. Snider” for providing proof you can — in what polite circles would say — inhale and exhale at the same time.
littlemoonboot wrote:LOL
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