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Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby Indyman on Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:56 am

I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet, but...

Barry Trotz was quoted yesterday saying:
“Going into training camp, we are not done adding pieces if we can add another piece, especially in a top four defense we are going to try and do that,” Trotz said later Wednesday on a conference call discussing the matching of Weber’s offer sheet. “There is limited value out there in terms of free agency, but there are guys we are looking at a possibility of a trade. There could be a piece there.”

We all know the ties between Shero and Poile...

My questions are:

1. If we send Martin to Nashville, what kind of return could we be looking at?
2. Who's realistically going to play D this year? I'm not sure the young guys are quite ready yet...
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby shmenguin on Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:58 am

i don't really like martin, and i do think it's possible that depres will give you a better net performance than him.

but we can't trade him away without an established top 4 guy coming back. it's just too risky.
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby meecrofilm on Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:59 am

Yeah, kinda need to hold on to Martin at this point, at least for the time being.
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby sil on Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:00 am

Indyman wrote:I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet, but...

David Poile was quoted yesterday saying:
“Going into training camp, we are not done adding pieces if we can add another piece, especially in a top four defense we are going to try and do that,” Trotz said later Wednesday on a conference call discussing the matching of Weber’s offer sheet. “There is limited value out there in terms of free agency, but there are guys we are looking at a possibility of a trade. There could be a piece there.”

We all know the ties between Shero and Poile...

My questions are:

1. If we send Martin to Nashville, what kind of return could we be looking at?
2. Who's realistically going to play D this year? I'm not sure the young guys are quite ready yet...


1. Depends on how badly NSH wants Martin specifically. There were rumors out there prior to Suter leaving about Poile's interest in Martin.

2. It seems they pretty much have to be at this point, especially should Martin get dealt. The top-4 is Letang, Martin, Orpik, and Niskanen. Despres, Engellend, Lovejoy, Strait, Bortuzzo, Dumoulin, and Morrow will be fighitng for the other 3 spots.
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby columbia on Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:02 am

Letang, Orpik, and Niskanen + TBD would make me pretty uneasy.
There are no guarantees that Niskanen can handle the big minutes over a full season.
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby sil on Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:02 am

shmenguin wrote:i don't really like martin, and i do think it's possible that depres will give you a better net performance than him.

but we can't trade him away without an established top 4 guy coming back. it's just too risky.


If Poile were to give Klein back in the trade (their #4 D for our #2D...based on minutes in 2011-12)...I'd probably go for the deal. KK has one year left @ 1.3M I believe.
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby sil on Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:06 am

columbia wrote:Letang, Orpik, and Niskanen + TBD would make me pretty uneasy.
There are no guarantees that Niskanen can handle the big minutes over a full season.


You're right, there aren't, but I was looking at the numbers yesterday, and what was interesting was a comparison of Niskanen to Michalek. Niskanen was just about 00:53 less TOI/game than Michalek, but Michalek played significantly more minutes/game on PK than Niskanen did...which indicates that Z was really beginning to lose out on 5-on-5 minutes in favor of Niskanen.
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby Pavel Bure on Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:07 am

Pens need D so let's trade D away. Derp
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby shmenguin on Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:10 am

sil wrote:
shmenguin wrote:i don't really like martin, and i do think it's possible that depres will give you a better net performance than him.

but we can't trade him away without an established top 4 guy coming back. it's just too risky.


If Poile were to give Klein back in the trade (their #4 D for our #2D...based on minutes in 2011-12)...I'd probably go for the deal. KK has one year left @ 1.3M I believe.


looks like klein got good minutes in nashville. a minute less at ES than martin and roughly the same short handed minutes on a defensively sound team. conceptually, this is a player that i would probably accept in a martin trade. but i know diddly squat about this guy, and if he's cheap and effective, nashville will want to keep him i'm sure.
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby sil on Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:31 am

shmenguin wrote:
sil wrote:
shmenguin wrote:i don't really like martin, and i do think it's possible that depres will give you a better net performance than him.

but we can't trade him away without an established top 4 guy coming back. it's just too risky.


If Poile were to give Klein back in the trade (their #4 D for our #2D...based on minutes in 2011-12)...I'd probably go for the deal. KK has one year left @ 1.3M I believe.


looks like klein got good minutes in nashville. a minute less at ES than martin and roughly the same short handed minutes on a defensively sound team. conceptually, this is a player that i would probably accept in a martin trade. but i know diddly squat about this guy, and if he's cheap and effective, nashville will want to keep him i'm sure.


The latter part is why it wouldn't happen, short of NSH feeling that Klein has no intention to return in 2013-14 and beyond.
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby Froggy on Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:50 am

If Nashville needs a top 4 d man, why would they trade us one of their top 4 d men?
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby offsides on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:01 pm

meecrofilm wrote:Yeah, kinda need to hold on to Martin at this point, at least for the time being.


Never thought I would agree with this, but I do. We are kinda between a hard place and a rock with our questionable D..
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby Mr. Colby on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:13 pm

Our D wouldn't be questionable at all if Letang, Orpik, and Martin played to their capabilities

Disclaimer: To avoid starting a war over taking a shot at the beloved Letang, I will specify that I am referring to his defensive zone play only.
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:14 pm

Preds have nothing that could fill the spot Paul Martin would leave.
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby Idoit40fans on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:16 pm

Mr. Colby wrote:Our D wouldn't be questionable at all if Letang, Orpik, and Martin played to their capabilities

Disclaimer: To avoid starting a war over taking a shot at the beloved Letang, I will specify that I am referring to his defensive zone play only.


If you're looking at contending for a cup, you don't go into the season feeling good about 3 defenders. Even adding at the deadline leaves multiple players playing important minutes that haven't been with the team long.
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby Rylan on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:18 pm

I feel Dax Shepherd could easily play top 4 minutes.
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby Luckybreak on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:22 pm

Froggy wrote:If Nashville needs a top 4 d man, why would they trade us one of their top 4 d men?


Yeah, Capgeek says they only have 5 D on NHL contracts, surely they wouldn't consider shipping one out?! I'm no fan of Martin but don't see what the Preds could trade that would be better than just keeping him. Hornqvist? No? Sigh.
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby mikey287 on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:26 pm

We're going to need some NHL caliber d-men to start the year probably...
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby jwest21 on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:36 pm

Rylan wrote:I feel Dax Shepherd could easily play top 4 minutes.

He's too old...and an actor. No where near Kevin Klein's talent
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby Indyman on Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:04 pm

I know the Preds have no Dmen we would want - or could get - I was thinking if we shipped out Martin, then looked for a separate trade for D....for example Yandle, Bouwmeester, Edler, Boyle or whoever....just throwing some names out there
If the NHL voids the Visnovsky trade, perhaps a Ryan/Visnovsky package...I dunno, I'm just spit ballin'

I think Shero is going to have to get creative to shore up the D if we are to be any sort of threat
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby Pavel Bure on Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:22 pm

Awful complicated when the Pens can just keep the top 4 guy they already have
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby FLPensFan on Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:28 pm

I don't see Paul Martin going anywhere at this point unless another, better d-man is brought in FIRST.
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby JoseCuervo on Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:28 pm

mikey287 wrote:We're going to need some NHL caliber d-men to start the year probably...


pfft...

despres-morrow
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby HomerPenguin on Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:53 pm

sil wrote:
columbia wrote:Letang, Orpik, and Niskanen + TBD would make me pretty uneasy.
There are no guarantees that Niskanen can handle the big minutes over a full season.


You're right, there aren't, but I was looking at the numbers yesterday, and what was interesting was a comparison of Niskanen to Michalek. Niskanen was just about 00:53 less TOI/game than Michalek, but Michalek played significantly more minutes/game on PK than Niskanen did...which indicates that Z was really beginning to lose out on 5-on-5 minutes in favor of Niskanen.


I guess that's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that, as bad as Michalek played at times, the coaches still wanted him killing penalties over Niskanen.
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Re: Preds looking to trade for top 4 Dman - Paul Martin?

Postby praxitas on Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:22 pm

JoseCuervo wrote:
mikey287 wrote:We're going to need some NHL caliber d-men to start the year probably...


pfft...

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Added the 7th dman for ya in case of injuries.
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