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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby Nizzy on Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:09 pm

Jordan Leopold, Puck Moving Defenseman on a team that already had Gonchar (all he could do was move the Puck), Goligoski (all he could do was move the Puck), and Letang (all around player that can move the puck just fine). One for every pairing, but we needed another one? Why?

More of what we already had. E.I. Bylsma's garbage system that doesn't win in the playoffs. 6 Puck Moving Defenseman = Bylsma system.

For a 2nd round pick. :face:
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby Nizzy on Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:11 pm

The Staal trade, just because of getting Pouliot.

However Pouliot will be flipped at the deadline in a package for IGLINA.

so Jordan Staal for:

Sutter, Dumoulin, Iglina

eventually.
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby canaan on Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:19 pm

Boredom Alert: I organized a list based off NHL tracker that is easier to copy/paste


2012
Spoiler:
June 22, 2012
Carolina Hurricanes acquire Jordan Staal; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Brandon Sutter, 2012 1st round pick (#8-Derrick Pouliot), Brian Dumoulin

June 22, 2012
Phoenix Coyotes acquire Zbynek Michalek; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Marc Cheverie Harrison Ruopp, 2012 3rd round pick (#81-Oskar Sundqvist)

June 4, 2012
Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Tomas Vokoun; Washington Capitals acquire 2012 7th round pick (#203-Sergei Kostenko)

2011
Spoiler:
November 8, 2011
Columbus Blue Jackets acquire Mark Letestu; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire 2012 4th round pick (#92-Matia Marcantuoni)

February 24, 2011
Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Alexei Kovalev; Ottawa Senators acquire 2011 conditional pick (6th round if Penguins advance to 2nd round of 2011 playoffs and Kovalev plays at least 50% of games in 1st round else 7th round) (#203-Ryan Dzingel)

February 21, 2011
Dallas Stars acquire Alex Goligoski; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire James Neal, Matt Niskanen

2010
Spoiler:
June 26, 2010
San Jose Sharks acquire 2010 7th round pick (#200-Christopher Crane); Pittsburgh Penguins acquire 2011 7th round pick (#208-Scott Wilson)

June 25, 2010
Pittsburgh Penguins acquire rights to Dan Hamhuis; Philadelphia Flyers acquire 2011 3rd round pick (#83-Harrison Ruopp)

May 28, 2010
Anaheim Ducks acquire 2010 6th round pick (#177-Kevin Lind); Pittsburgh Penguins acquire rights to Mattias Modig

March 3, 2010
Toronto Maple Leafs acquire Chris Peluso; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire 2010 6th round pick (#152-Joe Rogalski)

March 2, 2010
Toronto Maple Leafs acquire, Luca Caputi, Martin Skoula; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Alexei Ponikarovsky

March 1, 2010
Florida Panthers acquire 2010 2nd round pick (#50-Connor Brickley); Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Jordan Leopold

February 11, 2010
St. Louis Blues acquire Nate Guenin; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Steve Wagner

2009
Spoiler:
June 27, 2009
Montreal Canadiens acquire 2009 7th round pick (#210-Petteri Simila); Pittsburgh Penguins acquire 2010 6th round pick (#177-Kevin Lind)

June 27, 2009
Pittsburgh Penguins acquire 2009 5th round pick (#150-Andy Bathgate); New York Rangers acquire Chad Johnson

March 4, 2009
New York Islanders acquire 2009 conditional 5th round pick (4th round if Penguins make 2009 playoffs 3rd round if Penguins advance to 2nd round of 2009 playoffs) (#91-Michael Lee); Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Bill Guerin

March 4, 2009
St. Louis Blues acquire Danny Richmond; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Andy Wozniewski

February 26, 2009
Anaheim Ducks acquire Ryan Whitney; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Chris Kunitz, Eric Tangradi

January 17, 2009
Edmonton Oilers acquire Dany Sabourin, Ryan Stone, 2011 4th round pick (#113-Tobias Rieder); Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Mathieu Garon

January 5, 2009
Montreal Canadiens acquire T.J. Kemp; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire 2010 conditional 7th round pick (not exercised)

2008
Spoiler:
December 19, 2008
St. Louis Blues acquire Jonathan Filewich; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire 2010 conditional 6th round pick (not exercised)

November 16, 2008
Dallas Stars acquire Darryl Sydor; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Philippe Boucher

October 9, 2008
Phoenix Coyotes acquire future considerations; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Mike Zigomanis

October 1, 2008
Tampa Bay Lightning acquire Michal Sersen; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire 2009 5th round pick (#122-Alex Velischek)

July 17, 2008
Chicago Blackhawks acquire Tim Brent; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Danny Richmond

June 28, 2008
Tampa Bay Lightning acquire Gary Roberts, rights to Ryan Malone; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire 2009 conditional 4th round pick (3rd round if Malone re-signs with Lightning) (#63-Ben Hanowski)

February 26, 2008
Toronto Maple Leafs acquire 2008 2nd round pick (#60-Jimmy Hayes), 2009 5th round pick (#150-Andy Bathgate); Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Hal Gill

February 26, 2008
Atlanta Thrashers acquire Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen, Angelo Esposito, 2008 1st round pick (#29-Daultan Leveille); Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Pascal Dupuis, Marian Hossa

January 31, 2008
Carolina Hurricanes acquire Joe Jensen; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire David Gove

2007
Spoiler:
June 23, 2007
Anaheim Ducks acquire Stephen Dixon; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Tim Brent

June 22, 2007
Atlanta Thrashers acquire Chris Thorburn; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire 2007 3rd round pick (#78-Robert Bortuzzo)

February 27, 2007
Florida Panthers acquire Noah Welch; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Gary Roberts

February 27, 2007
Florida Panthers acquire 2007 4th round pick (#101-Matt Rust); Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Joel Kwiatkowski

February 27, 2007
Phoenix Coyotes acquire Daniel Carcillo, 2008 3rd round pick (#90-Tomas Kundratek); Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Georges Laraque

February 27, 2007
San Jose Sharks acquire 2007 7th round pick (#201-Justin Braun); Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Nolan Schaefer

February 27, 2007
Minnesota Wild acquire Dominic Moore; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire 2007 3rd round pick (#80-Casey Pierro-Zabotel)

2006
Spoiler:
December 19, 2006
Boston Bruins acquire future considerations; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Wade Brookbank

July 20, 2006
San Jose Sharks acquire 2007 2nd round pick (#41-Kevin Marshall); Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Patrick Ehelechner, Nils Ekman

July 19, 2006
Nashville Predators acquire 2007 3rd round pick (#81-Ryan Thang); Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Libor Pivko, rights to Dominic Moore

June 24, 2006
Florida Panthers acquire 2006 4th round pick (#116-Derrick Lapoint); Pittsburgh Penguins acquire 2007 4th round pick (#101-Matt Rust)

March 9, 2006
Florida Panthers acquire Richard Jackman; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Petr Taticek

March 9, 2006
Carolina Hurricanes acquire Mark Recchi; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Krystofer Kolanos, Niklas Nordgren, 2007 2nd round pick (#41-Kevin Marshall)

March 9, 2006
Detroit Red Wings acquire Cory Cross; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire 2007 4th round pick (#118-Alex Grant)

January 26, 2006
Edmonton Oilers acquire Dick Tarnstrom; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Cory Cross, Jani Rita

January 18, 2006
Florida Panthers acquire 2006 6th round pick (#155-Peter Aston); Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Eric Cairns

2005
Spoiler:
December 9, 2005
St. Louis Blues acquire Steve Poapst; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Eric Boguniecki

September 9, 2005
Nashville Predators acquire Kris Beech; Pittsburgh Penguins acquire conditional draft pick (2006 #116-Derrick Lapoint)

August 10th, 2005
Chicago Blackhawks acquire 2006 4th round pick (#95-Ben Shutron); Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Jocelyn Thibault


edit: updated draft picks from 2012 (Marcantuoni/Kostenko)
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby Rylan on Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:24 pm

Nils Ekman trade may be the worst one on the list.
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby shmenguin on Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:42 pm

Rylan wrote:Nils Ekman trade may be the worst one on the list.


trading a draft pick that would end up as arbitrary WBS depth for a benign player with little relevance always makes my blood boil.
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby Nizzy on Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:58 pm

Nils Ekman had 1 great period for the Penguins. He had a random hat trick at a game I was at in like under 6 minutes. It was insane. After that it's like he just vanished forever
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby KG on Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:30 pm

Great job with the list canaan...

What that compilation tells you is that Shero is very good at making trades!

I guess you could say Laraque was overpayment with Carcillo and a 3rd but he helped the team as they were growing and taking it to the next level. So I obviously don't have a problem with the move.

Dominic Moore I wish he could have gotten more for, but that's his value apparently since he gets traded every deadline...
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby canaan on Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:40 pm

Nizzy wrote:Jordan Leopold, Puck Moving Defenseman on a team that already had Gonchar (all he could do was move the Puck), Goligoski (all he could do was move the Puck), and Letang (all around player that can move the puck just fine). One for every pairing, but we needed another one? Why?

More of what we already had. E.I. Bylsma's garbage system that doesn't win in the playoffs. 6 Puck Moving Defenseman = Bylsma system.

For a 2nd round pick. :face:

but look who was drafted in the 2nd and 3rd round of that draft. is there anybody you would want, even in hindsight?
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby BeerAndPeanutsHere on Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:52 pm

One key thing that I think we're missing here - you can't judge the draft picks based on who other teams got with that pick. If we traded a 1st round pick to say the Coyotes for some player who stinks for us. And the Coyotes picked a kid who ended up being a complete bust. You can't say oh okay I don't mind wasting that 1st round pick because that player ended up being a bust. That player picked would most certainly not have been the same player that we picked in that spot. I see a bunch of posts talking about what other teams did with that pick as if that should determine the trade a winner or loser. That's flawed logic.
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby KG on Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:55 pm

BeerAndPeanutsHere wrote:One key thing that I think we're missing here - you can't judge the draft picks based on who other teams got with that pick. If we traded a 1st round pick to say the Coyotes for some player who stinks for us. And the Coyotes picked a kid who ended up being a complete bust. You can't say oh okay I don't mind wasting that 1st round pick because that player ended up being a bust. That player picked would most certainly not have been the same player that we picked in that spot. I see a bunch of posts talking about what other teams did with that pick as if that should determine the trade a winner or loser. That's flawed logic.


Agreed. You just look at the pick as a pick, not at the player that was picked. Now there are certain years that a draft pool is weaker then others so a 1st or 2nd round pick doesn't have as much value...but all in all, you look at the value of the pick at the time of the deal...
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby Chefpatrick871 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:00 pm

2012 Canaan acquires a life.

Jk bro, nice list. 2010 looked like a lousy year for trades.
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby MRandall25 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:28 pm

Nizzy wrote:The Staal trade, just because of getting Pouliot.

However Pouliot will be flipped at the deadline in a package for IGLINA.

so Jordan Staal for:

Sutter, Dumoulin, Iglina

eventually.


:face: :face: :face:
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby mikey287 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:34 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
Nizzy wrote:The Staal trade, just because of getting Pouliot.

However Pouliot will be flipped at the deadline in a package for IGLINA.

so Jordan Staal for:

Sutter, Dumoulin, Iglina

eventually.


:face: :face: :face:


Holy crap, that is brutal.

Let's ignore the thoughtless Pouliot hate. You don't evaluate a trade based on who you selected with the draft pick, that's not the trade. We acquired Sutter, Dumoulin and 8th overall for Staal, period. What we did with the draft pick falls under "drafting" not "trading". If the inverse were the case, we'd have to rate the Mike Wilson to Florida for Rhett Warrener and a 5th round pick as one of the biggest steals in recent history. The 5th round pick became Ryan Miller. That doesn't fall under trading, that falls under drafting. Gotta think.
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby HockeyDaddy on Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:40 pm

Nizzy wrote:The Staal trade, just because of getting Pouliot.

However Pouliot will be flipped at the deadline in a package for IGLINA.

so Jordan Staal for:

Sutter, Dumoulin, Iglina

eventually.

Nizzy, please tell me why I am supposed to hate Pouliot already.
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby Defence21 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:07 pm

HockeyDaddy wrote:
Nizzy wrote:The Staal trade, just because of getting Pouliot.

However Pouliot will be flipped at the deadline in a package for IGLINA.

so Jordan Staal for:

Sutter, Dumoulin, Iglina

eventually.

Nizzy, please tell me why I am supposed to hate Pouliot already.

I think it's because he isn't a forward. We're not allowed to like drafted defensemen.
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby Rylan on Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:09 pm

shmenguin wrote:
Rylan wrote:Nils Ekman trade may be the worst one on the list.


trading a draft pick that would end up as arbitrary WBS depth for a benign player with little relevance always makes my blood boil.


I had to pick a trade and that's the only trade that really jumped out to me as terrible. That's all.
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby Gaucho on Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:17 pm

Kicksave for Nizzy, hands down.
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby Mongoose87 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:43 pm

Gaucho wrote:Kicksave for Nizzy, hands down.

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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby JS© on Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:51 am

2007: Dominic Moore for the pick that became CP-Z.
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby JS© on Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:56 am

Nizzy wrote:Jordan Leopold, Puck Moving Defenseman on a team that already had Gonchar (all he could do was move the Puck), Goligoski (all he could do was move the Puck), and Letang (all around player that can move the puck just fine). One for every pairing, but we needed another one? Why?

More of what we already had. E.I. Bylsma's garbage system that doesn't win in the playoffs. 6 Puck Moving Defenseman = Bylsma system.

For a 2nd round pick. :face:


I still think if Leopold didn't have his concussion that there's a chance that he'd still be here.

If Leopold is here, there's also a chance that PaulMart isn't.
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby DelPen on Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:00 am

The pick sent for Ekman was aquired from the Canes for Recchi so that's fine.

Right now it's the Michalek trade but I also agree he wanted out. I'm not too upset since it balanced out where the cap hit is gone and he wasn't our own player per se who we had to dump and he has been playing brutal hockey in 2012.
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby DropEmJayBird on Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:22 am

During his time in Florida, Jordan Leopold actually did a great job against Ovechkin. I believe Florida would often match Leopold on Ovechkin when they would play.
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby k0la on Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:37 am

Looking at Canaan's list one thing I find interesting is that each year except 2010 there's been some kind of trade involving actual nhl caliber players that worked out very well the last 4 years; players that they still use or had good use off (Neal, Niskanen, Dupuis, Kunitz, Gill, Guerin). (the 2010 trades didn't really work out: Ponikarovsky, Hamhuis and Leopold but they didn't really give up anything anyways)
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby Mongoose87 on Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:52 am

I really liked Leopold. Solid in his own end, and he never tried to be fancy. When he got the puck, he put it towards the net.
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Re: Worst Post Lockout Pens Trade

Postby TheHammer24 on Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:18 pm

This shows Shero's prowess, no? I think Carcillo and pick for Laraque is mine.
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