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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby JoseCuervo on Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:50 am

1. Rodgers, 2. Brady, 3. Brees, 4. Peyton, 5. Roethlisberger, 6. Stafford, 7. Eli, 8. Matt Ryan, 9. Rivers, 10. Romo
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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby JoseCuervo on Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:53 am

IanMoran wrote:I'm going to sum up Romo talk with this post.


I shall do the same...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d823b035d/Pick-six-Romo-fumble :fist:
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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby ulf on Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:58 am

Romo stinks. If there's one quarterback that will not win me a big game, it's Tony Romo.
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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby shmenguin on Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:00 am

no one's influenced by ESPN. like JC said, even dallas fans think he's a bad turnover waiting to happen. and they watch him more than any of us.
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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby IanMoran on Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:18 am

JoseCuervo wrote:
IanMoran wrote:I'm going to sum up Romo talk with this post.


I shall do the same...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d823b035d/Pick-six-Romo-fumble :fist:

lol :thumb:
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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby count2infinity on Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:20 am

no love for flacco in here?
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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby IanMoran on Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:29 am

count2infinity wrote:no love for flacco in here?

make a list with him in there then lol
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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby count2infinity on Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:34 am

Personally, I think Flacco is a better QB than Romo. That's just me. I think the top 4 are obviously Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Peyton (not necessarily in that order). Past that there's a group that are debatable: Ben, Eli, Ryan, Rivers, Flacco, and Romo. I would certainly put Flacco in that group of top tier, but not elite QBs.
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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby pittsports87 on Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:22 am

1. Rodgers 2. Brady 3. P. Manning 4. Bress 5. E. Manning 6. Stafford 7. Romo 8. Ryan 9. Newton 10. Flacco
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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby shmenguin on Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:29 am

pittsports87 wrote:1. Rodgers 2. Brady 3. P. Manning 4. Bress 5. E. Manning 6. Stafford 7. Romo 8. Ryan 9. Newton 10. Flacco


are you intentionally forgetting roethlisberger?

we may have a new champion of crazy in this thread
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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby LeopardLetang on Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:30 am

pittsports87 wrote:1. Rodgers 2. Brady 3. P. Manning 4. Bress 5. E. Manning 6. Stafford 7. Romo 8. Ryan 9. Newton 10. Flacco


waaaaaaaait a second

edit: for inflection i meant
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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby ulf on Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:30 am

i have a hard time putting peyton in the top 3-5 right now.
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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby Froggy on Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:33 am

ps87 is a trolling bengals fan. please ignore and move on


also, this...

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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby slappybrown on Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:40 am

bhaw wrote:End of the day, NFL QBs are measured by what they have accomplished. Ben would barely crack a top 10 if he didn't have 2 Super Bowl rings. Romo isn't terrible, but he hasn't done jack in the post season. Ben, Eli, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, and Brady are all SB winning QBs. Are Romo's numbers any better than Rivers' (other than last year Rivers)? They are both guys that get to tread water at the bottom of the top 10 until they do something in the post season.

Huh? Roethlisberger's lifetime QB rating among active QBs is 8th.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/l ... active.htm

If you go solely by counting stats, then his numbers are not going to rival the Bradys or Mannings of the world, but the idea that he's "barely" a top 10 QB is silly IMO.

More importantly, YPA is widely regarded as the single most important passing statistic for QBs. It correlates most closely with actual performance and passing quality better than any other statistic (see, eg, http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/co ... empt/5924/ ):

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/l ... active.htm

Ben is 3rd in YPA amongst active QBs.

Anyways, looking at the total picture (production, contribution to team success, personal opinion) my list would be:

1. Rodgers
2. Brady
3. Brees
4. P. Manning
5. Ben
6. E. Manning
7. Romo
8. Rivers
9. Ryan
10. Vick
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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby slappybrown on Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:41 am

ulf wrote:i have a hard time putting peyton in the top 3-5 right now.

I would have said the same before week 1, but he appeared to be recovered for the most part in week 1. I'd have a tough time picking more than 4 or 5 QBs in front of Manning if I need to win one game today.
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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby pittsports87 on Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:43 am

Haven't cared for the Bengals since Chad Jonson left the team, he was the only reason I liked the team in the first place. Don't really have a favorite team anymore.

TBH I completely forgot about him, didn't look at anyone else's list before I posted mine. If I did put him in he would have been in the 8-10 range.
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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby ulf on Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:47 am

slappybrown wrote:
ulf wrote:i have a hard time putting peyton in the top 3-5 right now.

I would have said the same before week 1, but he appeared to be recovered for the most part in week 1. I'd have a tough time picking more than 4 or 5 QBs in front of Manning if I need to win one game today.

Eh Manning had a very Flacco like game. 80 of his yards came on a bubble screen. He didn't play bad by any means, but I'm not ready to say he's "back."
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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby slappybrown on Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:53 am

ulf wrote:
slappybrown wrote:
ulf wrote:i have a hard time putting peyton in the top 3-5 right now.

I would have said the same before week 1, but he appeared to be recovered for the most part in week 1. I'd have a tough time picking more than 4 or 5 QBs in front of Manning if I need to win one game today.

Eh Manning had a very Flacco like game. 80 of his yards came on a bubble screen. He didn't play bad by any means, but I'm not ready to say he's "back."

Take that pass out and his passer rating from that game was still 105.7 based on this website:

http://brucey.net/nflab/statistics/qb_rating.html

Seemed like he could make all the throws, and he obviously didn't get any less effective at managing the game and playcalls from the line of scrimmage.
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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby tifosi77 on Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:03 am

ulf wrote:
slappybrown wrote:
ulf wrote:i have a hard time putting peyton in the top 3-5 right now.

I would have said the same before week 1, but he appeared to be recovered for the most part in week 1. I'd have a tough time picking more than 4 or 5 QBs in front of Manning if I need to win one game today.

Eh Manning had a very Flacco like game. 80 of his yards came on a bubble screen. He didn't play bad by any means, but I'm not ready to say he's "back."

Last year NFL players were polled to find out who they thought was the best among them. Peyton was ranked the #7 QB in the league, and #50 overall.... and remember, he didn't even play a single down in 2012. (Ben was ranked the #4 QB, 30th overall, in the same poll, fwiw)
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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby tifosi77 on Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:13 am

When ranking players, I always think of one criteria: who would I rather have at that position with a championship on the line? Stats don't enter into it..... am I more likely to win with tis guy, or with that guy? That doesn't mean that I simply rank players in order of championships won, but it's certainly a valid tiebreaker, IMO.

Take a hockey analogy, for example. If I was putting a team together, and I had to choose between Wayne Gretzky and Mark Messier, the two most statistically productive players in NHL history..... I'm sorry, but brother Waynard will be on someone else's bench, not mine.

Hahahaha..... and as I type this, ESPN just showed the Romo field goal fumble. :face:

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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby MRandall25 on Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:18 am

1A. Bress
1B. Brady
1C. Rodgers
1D. Peyton Manning
5. Eli Manning
6. Ben
7. Matty Ice
8. Rivers
9. Flacco
10. Pick one

When Flacco is on, he's on.
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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby JoseCuervo on Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:56 am

MRandall25 wrote:When Flacco is on, he's on.


That's one of the problems. Top QBs need to be consistent. I just can't put flacco into the top ten when he has so many ups-and-downs from game to game.
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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby JoseCuervo on Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:57 am

shmenguin wrote:no one's influenced by ESPN. like JC said, even dallas fans think he's a bad turnover waiting to happen. and they watch him more than any of us.


logical* dallas fans

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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby Chefpatrick871 on Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:18 pm

"1. Flacco
2. Flacco
3. Flacco
4. Flacco
5. Flacco
6. Flacco
7. Flacco
8. Flacco
9. Flacco
10. Flacco"

- Joe Flacco
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Re: LGP NFL Top 10 QB

Postby joopen on Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:53 pm

Brady Rogers Brees, P Manning

Ben, Eli

Stafford, Rivers, Ryan,

Flaccid (lol iPad autocorrect), Romo, Vick, Newton
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