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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby MWB on Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:17 pm

Stanton's tweet:
"Alright, I'm pissed off!!! Plain & Simple."
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:54 am

I don't see why people are so up in arms with what the Marlins are doing, the team they constructed to compete last year failed and was probably on a downward trend. Now they unloaded all their bad contracts, Johnson's wasn't a bad contract, but he's an injury risk. They also got a ton of prospects in those deals from the Tigers and the Blue Jays, I wouldn't be surprised if they compete again before the Pirates do. Pirates never consider a full blow up until every player on the roster is worthless and doesn't bring anything back.
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:35 am

The pirates havent had enough of a semlence of a competitive team to "blow up" in 2 decades.
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby KennyTheKangaroo on Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:39 am

the pirates should trade for both giancarlo stanton and mike stanton. and the other mike stanton (the relief pitcher from back in the back) just for good measure.
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby columbia on Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:44 am

And move PNC to New Stanton?
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby PghSkins on Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:45 am

If my team paid $118m to finish with a record that would be 10 games behind the Pirates, I'd blow it up too.
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby thehockeyguru on Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:53 am

PghSkins wrote:If my team paid $118m to finish with a record that would be 10 games behind the Pirates, I'd blow it up too.


I think a big factor in them blowing it up has to do with the lack of attendence.
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby Tomas on Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:55 pm

Nate Silver switches from politics to baseball analysis (his original claim to fame) and argues for Trout - and not Cabrera - for MVP:
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... for-m-v-p/
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby MWB on Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:36 pm

Troy Loney wrote:I don't see why people are so up in arms with what the Marlins are doing, the team they constructed to compete last year failed and was probably on a downward trend. Now they unloaded all their bad contracts, Johnson's wasn't a bad contract, but he's an injury risk. They also got a ton of prospects in those deals from the Tigers and the Blue Jays, I wouldn't be surprised if they compete again before the Pirates do. Pirates never consider a full blow up until every player on the roster is worthless and doesn't bring anything back.


I think from a baseball perspective it was smart (although its erasing the self induced stupidity; very similar to the Res Sox trade). However, I think they made a big deal that if they got a publicly funded stadium they'd push to compete, and a year later they slash payroll. Just more bad pr.
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby MRandall25 on Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:46 pm

An interesting note: The owner of the Marlins was the previous owner of the Montreal Expos...

Conspiracy? http://sports.yahoo.com/news/marlins-tr ... blame.html
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby columbia on Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:53 pm

Tomas wrote:Nate Silver switches from politics to baseball analysis (his original claim to fame) and argues for Trout - and not Cabrera - for MVP:
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... for-m-v-p/


I guess.

Elections are a lot easier to analyze/predict than baseball.

Still waiting for the A's to win that World Series. :wink:
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:55 am

Rumblings that the Royals are dangling Will Myers for either Lester or Shields. I could see the Red Sox decling that, but the Rays should really be all over that.
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby thehockeyguru on Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:23 pm

Free agent catcher Russell Martin is receiving significant interest from the Pirates and Mariners, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. The Yankees remain the favorites to sign Martin, but it appears that they'll have to duke it out with the Bucs and M's in addition to the Rangers.

Interest from the Pirates and Mariners makes sense as Pittsburgh has a glaring need at the position while the Mariners are looking for offense at a variety of spots, including catcher. The Mariners have Jesus Montero and John Jaso, but Montero is likely to see more time at DH next season.

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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:48 pm

Apparantly he's looking for 4 years about $40M...seems outrageous.
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby thehockeyguru on Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:21 pm

Troy Loney wrote:Apparantly he's looking for 4 years about $40M...seems outrageous.


Yeah especially if that is too rich for the Yankees.
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby MWB on Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:27 pm

Troy Loney wrote:Rumblings that the Royals are dangling Will Myers for either Lester or Shields. I could see the Red Sox decling that, but the Rays should really be all over that.


I think the Red Sox would be all over it too. They've already gutted the team. Might as well go all the way.
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:40 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:Apparantly he's looking for 4 years about $40M...seems outrageous.


Yeah especially if that is too rich for the Yankees.



Yankees wont spend money cause they want to get under the luxury tax though. They really need to figure out how to unload Rodriguez and Teixera to get over this hump they've had the past 3 years.
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:42 pm

MWB wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:Rumblings that the Royals are dangling Will Myers for either Lester or Shields. I could see the Red Sox decling that, but the Rays should really be all over that.


I think the Red Sox would be all over it too. They've already gutted the team. Might as well go all the way.



They got out of their silly FA contracts, but they really didn't fully blow it up. They're going to bring some FA's in this year and build around the parts of the core they still have intact. Unloading the Crawford and Beckett is really going to help that team going forward.
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby MWB on Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:54 pm

Not much of a core though. Ellsbury and Lester, but what else? This is a pretty weak free agent class as well. I could certainly see them doing what you say, but think they'd be smarter to go younger if they can.
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby canaan on Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:07 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:Apparantly he's looking for 4 years about $40M...seems outrageous.


Yeah especially if that is too rich for the Yankees.

he batted .211 last year.

dear god.
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby MRandall25 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:30 pm

canaan wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:Apparantly he's looking for 4 years about $40M...seems outrageous.


Yeah especially if that is too rich for the Yankees.

he batted .211 last year.

dear god.


He's perfect.
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby thehockeyguru on Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:53 pm

canaan wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:Apparantly he's looking for 4 years about $40M...seems outrageous.


Yeah especially if that is too rich for the Yankees.

he batted .211 last year.

dear god.


Thats worth 10M a year for 4 years.

Especially when McKenry hit .233 and 12 Hr's and made 485k.
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby MWB on Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:51 pm

Troy Loney wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:Apparantly he's looking for 4 years about $40M...seems outrageous.


Yeah especially if that is too rich for the Yankees.



Yankees wont spend money cause they want to get under the luxury tax though. They really need to figure out how to unload Rodriguez and Teixera to get over this hump they've had the past 3 years.


Right, they won't go that high, especially with Pettitte coming back. Unloading Arod seems like an impossibility. Could probably unload Tex, but it would be more cost than it's worth.
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby columbia on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:12 pm

The latest scuttlebutt is David Wright staying with Mets for 7 years/$140M.
At least that's what has been offered.

He might be my favorite ballplayer and I hope he stays with the Mets.
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Re: Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:15 am

Buccos apparantly making a real push for Martin, and it's not going to be near that number floated on rotoworld (4/40), looks like 3/25. that's kind of reasonable.
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