ulf wrote:The Marlins just traded their whole team, sans Stanton, to Toronto. Reyes, Josh Johnson, Bonifacio, Buck, Buehrle all gone.
Mr. Colby wrote:Stanton would be so sexxxxy on the Pirates... would require way too much though and we'd only have him for like 2 years
since1970 wrote:....it's ridiculous our FO feels they have their team in place for 2013. They care nothing about last years lessons. Attendance thru the roof when they were winning and then nothing during the collapse. Money was already guaranteed to them with 2mil in the seats. An owner who WANTED to win would've looked at what caused two straight collapses (one making baseball history) and try to prevent it from becoming a hat trick. The improvement to 79 games almost wasn't, and an owner with pride who's a baseball fan would never accept the failings of players and management that occured in the second half. They'd do things to try and ensure a better result, not go into the next season with the same question marks as the previous year, those being SS, corner outfield, first base, catcher. To be 16 games over .500 and end up 2 games under to me isn't improvement at all, it's a step backward. To have the tenth richest owner in the sport and the fans proving that when you put a winner on the field they'll come, and to not increase your payroll?? Selig is pissed at Loria, but not at Nutting, is it because the Brewers are in our division? Talk about the "integrity of the sport"........
since1970 wrote:Spending money isn't exclusive to free agents, there's the trade route as well, but I'm not sure I'll ever see a day where the Pirates pay a position player 12/15mil a year, which isn't crazy by today's market. If they draw 2.5 or 2.75, which last year proved the could, and with the increase each team is getting in TV revenue, and your owner is a billionaire is it unreasonable to expect a payroll of 70/75mil ? I'm not one to think that they need to spend 85/90mil, but to constantly be in the lowest 5 or 3 in salary year after year is a joke.
since1970 wrote:They made a business decision, just as they did in signing Melky. They feel with the Yankees/Red Sox in decline they took the risk. I'm not advocating that kind of payroll, but Cabrera signs for 8mil a year in Toronto, and forget the steriods, would it have been unreasonable for the Pirates to offer that....
since1970 wrote:The problem here is we know 8mil might as well be 800mil, and even though what the Jays did seems a little over the top it looks to me like they feel now is the time to win, which is something I doubt we'll see here as long as Nutting continues to run a sports franchise like a newspaper. Who knows, maybe it'll bite the Jays in the behind, but what do you think ticket sales and anticipation is there? A sports franchise should be a break even proposition not a profit making venture, they're rich guys toys, not a business to add to personal wealth, they're generally about swagger, ego, and bragging rites. I'm not against them making money, unless they do it at the expense of the on field product, then it either sell because you can't afford a team, or sell because you have no interest in winning.
since1970 wrote:I look at last year as failure. I knew they weren't going to stay 16 games above .500, but where they were to where they finished? That to me is as bad as if they lost 100 games, if you play .300 baseball for 3 months and don't improve it seems to me to be a prescription for failure next year if you stand pat. When you've been as bad as this club 7 or 9 wins seems like a good thing, but it's a ridiculous yard stick. This organization should be well past baby steps. In the past six years they should've been able to get to .500 by adding SMART free agents with their home grown talent, but again that would've required financial committment from the owner and maybe some competancy from your GM, and we have neither.
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