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no name wrote:Idoit40fans wrote:BurghersAndDogsSports wrote:Big Easy Pens Fan wrote:Sounds like the Pens consecutive sellouts streak will be in jeopardy.
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Why do you say that? Anything specific or just what people have been saying?
I was blasted a lot before on this issue but I think their streak was on life support last season, way too many open seats the day before games, fake student ticket limits and for the first time since pre 2004 lockout the Pens offered us season holders seats to purchase extra playoff packages. Not that I want to go through that again.
But my point is I think if this lockout proves to be even a small detractor I don't see how the streak keeps going.
If it survives the next season that is played(whenever that is) i'll be surprised. The sellout streak has definitely been BS for a season and a half...only lasting because of season ticket sales. To be fair though, they never claimed it was gate entries.
If it wasn't for student rush tickets that streak would of ended a long time ago. Not that our attendance still wouldn't be really good for thoes games, but a sell out would not of happened.
ulf wrote:no name wrote:Idoit40fans wrote:BurghersAndDogsSports wrote:Big Easy Pens Fan wrote:Sounds like the Pens consecutive sellouts streak will be in jeopardy.
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Why do you say that? Anything specific or just what people have been saying?
I was blasted a lot before on this issue but I think their streak was on life support last season, way too many open seats the day before games, fake student ticket limits and for the first time since pre 2004 lockout the Pens offered us season holders seats to purchase extra playoff packages. Not that I want to go through that again.
But my point is I think if this lockout proves to be even a small detractor I don't see how the streak keeps going.
If it survives the next season that is played(whenever that is) i'll be surprised. The sellout streak has definitely been BS for a season and a half...only lasting because of season ticket sales. To be fair though, they never claimed it was gate entries.
If it wasn't for student rush tickets that streak would of ended a long time ago. Not that our attendance still wouldn't be really good for thoes games, but a sell out would not of happened.
Your point?
RisslingsMissingTeeth wrote:If the owners do not get contract limits on years (7 at most, but 5 ideally), then I hope they never sign anything and just lose multiple seasons. That is a non-negotiable and probably the one thing Bettman will never give up.
no name wrote:RisslingsMissingTeeth wrote:If the owners do not get contract limits on years (7 at most, but 5 ideally), then I hope they never sign anything and just lose multiple seasons. That is a non-negotiable and probably the one thing Bettman will never give up.
I don't see how this makes that much difference as long as the 5% increase is in effect you couldn't create cap circumventing deals. the lenght of the deal would be up top the GM or team to deal with.
On ano0ther note: i really can't see how the league won't concider relocating these "money bleeding" teams Florida, Nashville, COlumbus and Phoenix. Ok its a great idea of keeping these teams alive unitl the new CBA is passed to see if they can make a turn around. But the simple act of moving a team to Qubeac, or adding a second team to Tornoto, Seattle or Milwalkee. These cities already have a hockey fan base. If the bottom teams were just losing money in the range of the mid teams you wouldn't really need a high impact revenue sharing plan. It would be much easier spreading thoes revenue sharing dollars.
mikey287 wrote:Yeah, it's very easy to talk about moving teams and the grass is always greener, but the practice is challenging. Easy to throw out places that might support NHL hockey, but you don't know until it happens. Teams like Hamilton in the AHL and the CFL, do very poorly...might not be a sports town at all. Or maybe they would ante up but for a real professional team, who knows. You can't figure it out until it's too late. Toronto-area junior teams are leaving the area for various reasons as well. Much to consider below the surface of geography. Quebec has had a team twice and lost it both times. Much to consider.
It is always amusing to see the exasperation of a multimillionaire or billionaire owner when he discovers that what has worked in his business life does not transfer so well to the world of sport. What it usually comes down to is the annoying fact that, in sports, people are not simply the means of producing the product or service, people are the product. People have brains. People have feelings. People have opinions. People have a sense of justice.
This is something we need to remember, as well. All too often, fans and media members assign to ourselves a primary role in this sports thing. Obviously, fans are necessary for professional sports (or even non-professional sports such as high school and college sports) to justify the activity, and absent media coverage, the experience would clearly be lessened.
But let us never, ever forget that the absolutely irreplaceable element in the sports partnership is the athletes themselves, and in the case of professional sports, the athletes are the very best in the world at what they do. At any given point in time, those elite athletes are essential to the process. It all starts with them.
But this is the thing about owners, you see. They don’t give a damn.
By that, I mean they don’t really give a damn about the players and they certainly don’t give a damn about the fans. Are there occasional conspicuous exceptions? Well, yeah. But not many, not when it comes to any interference with the bottom line.
no name wrote:RisslingsMissingTeeth wrote:If the owners do not get contract limits on years (7 at most, but 5 ideally), then I hope they never sign anything and just lose multiple seasons. That is a non-negotiable and probably the one thing Bettman will never give up.
I don't see how this makes that much difference as long as the 5% increase is in effect you couldn't create cap circumventing deals. the lenght of the deal would be up top the GM or team to deal with.
On ano0ther note: i really can't see how the league won't concider relocating these "money bleeding" teams Florida, Nashville, COlumbus and Phoenix. Ok its a great idea of keeping these teams alive unitl the new CBA is passed to see if they can make a turn around. But the simple act of moving a team to Qubeac, or adding a second team to Tornoto, Seattle or Milwalkee. These cities already have a hockey fan base. If the bottom teams were just losing money in the range of the mid teams you wouldn't really need a high impact revenue sharing plan. It would be much easier spreading thoes revenue sharing dollars.
tfrizz wrote:But this is the thing about owners, you see. They don’t give a damn.
By that, I mean they don’t really give a damn about the players and they certainly don’t give a damn about the fans. Are there occasional conspicuous exceptions? Well, yeah. But not many, not when it comes to any interference with the bottom line.
Sarcastic wrote:I agree with a lot ot points the writer makes, but he somehow took the opposite conclusion that I did. He should have praised the owners for sticking to their guns and trying to make the league better. Not cave in to the terrorist.
Sarcastic wrote:I agree with a lot ot points the writer makes, but he somehow took the opposite conclusion that I did. He should have praised the owners for sticking to their guns and trying to make the league better. Not cave in to the terrorist.
Sarcastic wrote:I'd like to ask that writer, too, if he thinks that Fehr cares about the fans or the sport of hockey. He wasn't even a fan before he got hired. Oh, no. The writer really took a wrong turn somewhere.
That I can’t, and you can’t, is surely not the fault of the NHL Players Association, and I’m sure there was a time in the past when I would never have dreamed I’d ever be saying that about any group whose chief spokesman was Donald Fehr.
ulf wrote:did they spend the last week deciding where to get pizza from?
mikememfis wrote:The ill will the owners have created amongst the players by their stance in this lockout will never go away. Now try signing your key guys for less based on loyalty, when the owners try to pull these kinds of stunts. Nothing good comes of this
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