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Postby Rylan on Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:41 pm

I agree TR. But, if you start making a class solely about religion you allow for the chances of bias. Perhaps a project for one thing takes a long time, while the project or unit for another takes less time. These biases are not intentional but nonetheless prevalent and can lead to accidental promotion or hiding a certain topic. That is all.
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Postby MWB on Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:47 pm

Rylan wrote:I agree TR. But, if you start making a class solely about religion you allow for the chances of bias. Perhaps a project for one thing takes a long time, while the project or unit for another takes less time. These biases are not intentional but nonetheless prevalent and can lead to accidental promotion or hiding a certain topic. That is all.


Spending a little more time on one thing over another isn't necessarily a bias.

I'm interested to see if Common Core Standards will have a focus on various religions. I think they will. If so, the scope will be pretty well defined and the type of variance you're taking about more limited.
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Postby Rylan on Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:52 pm

Hmmmm, if the class is well-structured and well-defined I am more open to the idea of it. But, if there are numerous areas open to teacher discretion I have an issue with that. Now that issue may be my own fabrication, but it nevertheless makes me nervous.

MWB you are (were?) a teacher no? This is your area of expertise.
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Postby MWB on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:01 pm

I am a fifth grade teacher. Haven't taught high school or a class like this, so don't have any direct experience with this topic. I think you're right to be concerned about a teacher's personal bias entering into something like this, but I don't think it would be an issue with the overwhelming majority of teachers. Whenever a touchy or possibly controversial topic comes up in my class I'm very cognizant of being neutral and presenting information in an unbiased way. Doesn't happen as much in fifth grade as high school, but there are still times.
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Postby steelhammer on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:26 pm

I would be more supportive of the comparative religions class if they spent the time pointing out all of the contradictions, historical inaccuracies, physical impossibilities, etc. that each presents on even a cursory examination. The idea that creationism should be given the same weight as evolution in any public classroom is an embarrassment and an insult to our collective intelligence as human beings. Why stop at evolution when pretending that we really don't know relatively simple subjects? Perhaps we could give Phillip Morris' view equal weight when talking about the dangers of smoking and let the kids decide? Economics from Enron's perspective. Sex ed. with Pat Robertson.
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Postby Rylan on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:32 pm

No steelhammer. Just because you are an atheist does not mean everyone is. Since both creationism and evolution are pretty much the view points of the US they should be talked about. And to that end, what practical use do either have in the modern world? Schools are not to impose viewpoints on the youth; they are to educate the youth on the world around them.
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Postby MWB on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:43 pm

If you separate religion from science, I don't see it as a problem. One class, many different religions, what they are, their history. That is different from how science is presented.
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Postby Rylan on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:45 pm

For many, science and religion can not be separated.
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Postby MWB on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:49 pm

Rylan wrote:For many, science and religion can not be separated.


In a school it is and needs to be.
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Postby Rylan on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:52 pm

I see what you mean. I had a brain-letdown when reading your reply.

It was how steelhammer wrote his reply that rubbed me the wrong way. Seemed to absolutely rip those that have the belief of creationism over evolution. I find that unfair.
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Postby PensFanInDC on Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:45 am

The last few pages gave been awesome. A true example of freedom of religion.
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Postby Ossa on Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:05 am

steelhammer wrote:I would be more supportive of the comparative religions class if they spent the time pointing out all of the contradictions, historical inaccuracies, physical impossibilities, etc. that each presents on even a cursory examination.


A religion class you are proposing might work out well in college, but couldn't stand a chance in high school. Teacher's bias would be out the wazoo.
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Postby MRandall25 on Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:49 am

Rylan wrote:I see what you mean. I had a brain-letdown when reading your reply.

It was how steelhammer wrote his reply that rubbed me the wrong way. Seemed to absolutely rip those that have the belief of creationism over evolution. I find that unfair.


Wouldn't be the first time ITT tonight.
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Postby Gaucho on Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:37 am

I have a hard time accepting both creationism and evolution as equally acceptable "viewpoints". So there.
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Postby Rylan on Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:32 am

Well, Gaucho when roughly half of America believes it that makes it an equal viewpoint. For Americans at least.
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Postby Gaucho on Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:38 am

I said equally acceptable.

/topic?
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Postby Rylan on Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:40 am

:lol: I know. Believe me, I am in 100% agreement with you.
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Postby ulf on Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:24 am

Ossa wrote:
steelhammer wrote:I would be more supportive of the comparative religions class if they spent the time pointing out all of the contradictions, historical inaccuracies, physical impossibilities, etc. that each presents on even a cursory examination.


A religion class you are proposing might work out well in college, but couldn't stand a chance in high school. Teacher's bias would be out the wazoo.

Huh? Why would college professors have less bias than high school teachers? I had world cultures freshman year of high school, we learned about all the religions. I'm sure they know if they come off as preachy or bias that it's a lawsuit waiting to happen.


Edit: nvm, i read the original quote wrong. He wasn't talking about normal world cultures classes.
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Postby columbia on Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:26 am

I'm finally remembering why I never had a world cultures class in HS: that was in 9th grade in my district and I went to Catholic school that year.

I did get an A in my Old Testament class, that year, however. :pop:
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Postby Troy Loney on Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:27 am

columbia wrote:I'm finally remembering why I never had a world cultures class in HS: that was in 9th grade in my district and I went to Catholic school that year.

I did get an A in my Old Testament class, that year, however. :pop:



Did they have the Humanities class when you were there?
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Postby columbia on Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:30 am

That was the senior year AP class?
I definitely took AP European History in 10th grade and AP American History in 11th.
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Postby Troy Loney on Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:37 am

No that was an elective, basically an honors social sciences class.
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Postby Geezer on Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:04 am

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/22/no ... -cemetery/
Not that such Dbags are worthy of a second thought but I marvel at her explanation that "they never meant any disrespect towards those who served our country". That's like p*ssing on some of the graves and saying you were watering the grass.
People have the right do what they want because of free speech free speech in this country. The attempt to weasel their way out of their expression is almost as offensive as their message.
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Postby Tico Rick on Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:44 am

Geezer wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/22/nonprofit-worker-fired-after-photo-scandal-at-arlington-national-cemetery/
Not that such Dbags are worthy of a second thought but I marvel at her explanation that "they never meant any disrespect towards those who served our country". That's like p*ssing on some of the graves and saying you were watering the grass.
People have the right do what they want because of free speech free speech in this country. The attempt to weasel their way out of their expression is almost as offensive as their message.


I'm not sure what was more stupid: 1) thinking the idea was funny, 2) deciding to take a photo of it, or 3) deciding to post it on Facebook.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Gaucho on Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:45 am

Gaucho wrote:The cool thing about stupid people is their propensity to brag about - and record - their stupidity.
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