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Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:If you consider that the NHL makes the least amount of revenue among the four pro leagues and also probably has the highest operating expenses it makes sense that NHL players would make considerably less than their counterparts
Gaucho wrote:LeBrun's take. Can't say I share his optimism, however cautious it may be.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/20349/tune-out-the-noise-were-closer-to-a-deal
Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:The cost of equipment alone puts the NHL way above the NBA. Not to mention the costs of maintaining the ice.
Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:The cost of equipment alone puts the NHL way above the NBA. Not to mention the costs of maintaining the ice.
Yes, "talent" will always have more leverage than the average North American worker, and NHL players are not your average union. They have all-world physical talent in their chosen field. That has value in a multibillion-dollar industry where pride and profit escalates profits and thus salaries. And you, the player, are reaping it. Wildly. As Keith Jones would tell me over and over again while I was working on his book "Jonesy" with him: "It's all fantasyland, man."
But the more games are canceled, the more the players will lose -- even if they think they will win. CBAs come and go. Careers are short. Players are EXTREMELY well paid. Live below their means and many can be set for a life of choice. Sacrifice a year (or more) of that for ... what? The players would be smart to push for a deal. Your business is your play; they are NOT separated. If you want to sit, by all means sit. If you want to play, fly charter and stay in Ritz-Carltons and enjoy a pension and summers off, tell Fehr to make a deal. And the season would start in two weeks.
Because, in the end, it's all mostly luck for all of us. Lucky when Daddy has hundreds of millions and gives you a cushy front-office job. Lucky you have good genetics and loving parents. Lucky, for me, to live in a country that loves sports so much it can support so many 24-hour sports cable enterprises and lucky enough that I work for the biggest one that gives me free Disney passes.
It's all luck, and then we die. Don't be so caught up in greed and money and "winning." This isn't the Industrial Revolution; Donald Fehr isn't Che Guevara.
Be smart, make aggressive compromises/deals, and grab your hockey bag. I know you're going nuts anyway. You're still going to be rich, and the fans will still love you and hate the suits.
bh wrote:Bucci always speaks from the heart.Yes, "talent" will always have more leverage than the average North American worker, and NHL players are not your average union. They have all-world physical talent in their chosen field. That has value in a multibillion-dollar industry where pride and profit escalates profits and thus salaries. And you, the player, are reaping it. Wildly. As Keith Jones would tell me over and over again while I was working on his book "Jonesy" with him: "It's all fantasyland, man."
But the more games are canceled, the more the players will lose -- even if they think they will win. CBAs come and go. Careers are short. Players are EXTREMELY well paid. Live below their means and many can be set for a life of choice. Sacrifice a year (or more) of that for ... what? The players would be smart to push for a deal. Your business is your play; they are NOT separated. If you want to sit, by all means sit. If you want to play, fly charter and stay in Ritz-Carltons and enjoy a pension and summers off, tell Fehr to make a deal. And the season would start in two weeks.
Because, in the end, it's all mostly luck for all of us. Lucky when Daddy has hundreds of millions and gives you a cushy front-office job. Lucky you have good genetics and loving parents. Lucky, for me, to live in a country that loves sports so much it can support so many 24-hour sports cable enterprises and lucky enough that I work for the biggest one that gives me free Disney passes.
It's all luck, and then we die. Don't be so caught up in greed and money and "winning." This isn't the Industrial Revolution; Donald Fehr isn't Che Guevara.
Be smart, make aggressive compromises/deals, and grab your hockey bag. I know you're going nuts anyway. You're still going to be rich, and the fans will still love you and hate the suits.
http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/86362 ... -eyes-fans
Love to decertify the union. The owners then should consider that all players can only be signed by their last NHL team for whatever the team wishes but with a salary cap more in line to what they need. ie. $50 million. Let's see how that works out. Players with salaries now might be very happy seeing what they can get from their same team.
I hope they do and that the courts compare the NHL (a small sport compared to NFL, MLB and NBA) and laugh at the ridiculously high contracts, call the lock-out legal and then the league can start again with 55-45, no guaranteed contracts, minimum salary of 250K, maximum duration of contracts 5 years, 5% max salary difference, no no trade clauses. Take it or leave it, players. Or go to the KHL.
If I were the owner I would be making a naughty and nice list right now in case of decertification. Crosby/Toews/Staal/OV I offer you $3.5 a year, no benefits, and you have to sweep the room, and wash the towels after every game... Hamrlik you make $8 a yr. Thanks for being a voice of reason.
I think Bettman is a VERY smart man. If the NHLPA decertified and new rules are made, I feel the players may get more than they bargined for
good disband the NHLPA get rid of Fehr... the NHL will rip the players a new one in the next CBA. Players are morons. They are thinking with their wallets only. They dont care about other players. Pensioners are NOT getting paid while this is going on. Ridiculous.
I don't think some people here get this decertifiction thing! It becomes the wild west.NO Labour rules.Teams would try to out spend each other. Like they do now but with no restrictions except thier own wallets.The only ones who kinda win is the elite players. This would definately cause teams to fold.No draft! Players going to the highest bidder at the age of 15.The wild wild west.The owners tring to police themselves. Even they know they can't do that. Just look at these contracts given out trying to circumvent the rules they already have in place! It will become a league of haves and have nots.
It's all luck, and then we die. Don't be so caught up in greed and money and "winning." This isn't the Industrial Revolution; Donald Fehr isn't Che Guevara.
MRandall25 wrote:NBA and NFL PA's decertified. They turned out fine. It's one of the few pieces of hard leverage the players have.
Bioshock wrote:MRandall25 wrote:NBA and NFL PA's decertified. They turned out fine. It's one of the few pieces of hard leverage the players have.
But... if they actually did that and it made it through the courts and the courts sided with the players, then you would have no free agency, no draft, no labor laws, no minimum salary, no contract guidelines. That would be awful for.... like everyone on both sides.
MRandall25 wrote:Bioshock wrote:MRandall25 wrote:NBA and NFL PA's decertified. They turned out fine. It's one of the few pieces of hard leverage the players have.
But... if they actually did that and it made it through the courts and the courts sided with the players, then you would have no free agency, no draft, no labor laws, no minimum salary, no contract guidelines. That would be awful for.... like everyone on both sides.
Did it even get to the courts in the other leagues? If the players do it, I'd have a feeling the owners would start to give in before it got to court.
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