Light Bulb Socialism!

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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby Sarcastic on Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:19 pm

So is the longevity claim a big scam?
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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby Gaucho on Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:30 pm

I think I have yet to replace a CFL, and I've been using them for years as well. I make sure I switch them on or off only when necessary.
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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby sj? on Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:13 pm

You ever smell one of those things (CFL) when it dies .. nasty ..

They say it's not harmful or toxic .. :scared:
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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby DelPen on Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:15 pm

I've never lived in a house for more than 3 years until now, going on 5, since CFL's have been introduced. I'm just now replacing the incandescents that came with my light fixtures. Haven't replaced a CFL in the new fixtures I bought though so I guess they are winning.
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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby mac5155 on Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:10 pm

Sarcastic wrote:So is the longevity claim a big scam?


If you burn them for 3 hours, you won't get longevity out of them. If you never shut them off, you'll get a lot more n time out of them
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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby Digitalgypsy66 on Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:32 pm

mac5155 wrote:
Sarcastic wrote:So is the longevity claim a big scam?


If you burn them for 3 hours, you won't get longevity out of them. If you never shut them off, you'll get a lot more n time out of them

And if you never shut them off, you lose the savings of using CFL. :scared:
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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby mac5155 on Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:37 pm

Yeah that was my point in my earlier post lol. But, if it's a light you never shut off, a fluorescent is the way to go.
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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby Sarcastic on Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:05 am

Sounds like it's all BS. I am not going to leave my lights on all over the house so I could save on some bulbs.
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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby steelhammer on Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:47 am

It's not just the length of service; the CFLs are 4 times more efficient than incandescent bulbs. That means you use 4x less electricity with CFLs by using a 22W bulb instead of a 100W bulb. Multiply that a few times over the house and you are saving a respectable amount of money each year. Replacing all of the incandescent bulbs in the US with CFLs would save 80TWh/year in power consumption. Further replacing them with LEDs would nearly double that. What are you holding onto? Get with the future.
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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby Sarcastic on Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:19 am

I know about the lower electricity usage. It's just kinda weird about the new bulbs and the idea of leaving them on all the time.
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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby mac5155 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:20 am

im not saying leave them on all the time. all im saying is constantly turning them on and off wears them out quicker. I know they are more efficient either way.
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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby Sarcastic on Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:30 am

The reason why I asked was it freaked me out that my bulb lasted probably about 8 months. It was in the kitchen where I do turn lights on and off at least 10 times a day. Like, what the hell. I still have mostly regular bulbs but did replace some a while ago.
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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby steelhammer on Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:19 pm

The on/off cycle is certainly an issue at the residential level for CFLs. I look forward to the LED future. My mtn bike lights are LED and they are freaking sweet (and powerful).
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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby Shyster on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:11 pm

steelhammer wrote:It's not just the length of service; the CFLs are 4 times more efficient than incandescent bulbs. That means you use 4x less electricity with CFLs by using a 22W bulb instead of a 100W bulb.

They may be 4x more efficient, but they often cost 4x as much, if not more, than inexpensive incandescents. And LED bulbs cost even more than CFLs. If all one cares about is using less electricity, then non-incandescent bulbs are the way to go. But if it's a question of cost, then factors like longevity strongly come into play. A CFL that croaks in a year because it's constantly being cycled on and off won't live long enough to recoup its greater initial cost through efficiency savings.
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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby Gaucho on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:25 pm

I actually like the fact that CFL's teached me not to switch lights on and off all the time.
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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby Sarcastic on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:28 pm

Shyster wrote:
steelhammer wrote:It's not just the length of service; the CFLs are 4 times more efficient than incandescent bulbs. That means you use 4x less electricity with CFLs by using a 22W bulb instead of a 100W bulb.

They may be 4x more efficient, but they often cost 4x as much, if not more, than inexpensive incandescents. And LED bulbs cost even more than CFLs. If all one cares about is using less electricity, then non-incandescent bulbs are the way to go. But if it's a question of cost, then factors like longevity strongly come into play. A CFL that croaks in a year because it's constantly being cycled on and off won't live long enough to recoup its greater initial cost through efficiency savings.


Exactly my concern. They need to make those bulbs cheaper. Or fix them to stay lit even if you on/off a lot.
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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby shafnutz05 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:48 pm

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/01/02/study-eco-friendly-light-bulbs-may-put-health-at-risk/

Study: New eco-friendly light bulbs leak more UV radiation than initially thought, enough to result in skin cell damage and death, and possibly melanoma.
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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby Gaucho on Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:54 pm

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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby pittsoccer33 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:56 pm

i prefer whale blubber lamps
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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby Sarcastic on Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:31 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/01/02/study-eco-friendly-light-bulbs-may-put-health-at-risk/

Study: New eco-friendly light bulbs leak more UV radiation than initially thought, enough to result in skin cell damage and death, and possibly melanoma.


First thought that hit my brain when reading the above is this. I'm serious. I heard that voice in my head.

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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby Sarcastic on Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:34 pm

"Stony Brook researches advised that customers exercise caution and stay two feet away from the bulbs at all times, while storing them in an overhead fixture or lamp."

That is absurd, if true.
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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby bhaw on Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:14 pm

Sarcastic wrote:"Stony Brook researches advised that customers exercise caution and stay two feet away from the bulbs at all times, while storing them in an overhead fixture or lamp."

That is absurd, if true.


Thank God for high ceilings? :lol:
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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby Sarcastic on Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:52 pm

bhaw wrote:Thank God for high ceilings? :lol:


Well, we all have lamps all over our houses. Big lamps and small lamps. Ones that hang down and ones that stand. In the living room and the kitchen and next to the bed where we sleep. When you think about it, we could be surrounded by what may be serious danger. This has me pretty paranoid and I will have to do some more reading on this and maybe find a company/brand that is more careful when making these bulbs to prevent this. I guess it means no cheap bulbs at the 1 Dollar store. Not that I ever go there, just making a point about spending a little extra and going with a quality product.
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Re: Light Bulb Socialism!

Postby Sarcastic on Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:57 pm

Reading the article again. Seems like they all may have the problem.

"In every bulb that researchers tested they found that the protective coating around the light creating ‘phosphor’ was cracked, allowing dangerous ultraviolet rays to escape."

I do not believe NEMA's statement on safety and feel they may have been surprised to find this as well. But like the food industry that puts crap into our food, I would think these guys care less about your health than making a profit.
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