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Re: Lockout

Postby Bioshock on Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:44 pm

MRandall25 wrote:The players get to pick which owners they meet with, right? Could just be people don't agree on who to meet with?


I can totally understand that. But what i don't understand is it taking this long. Something stinks here.
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Re: Lockout

Postby offsides on Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:42 pm

Bioshock wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:The players get to pick which owners they meet with, right? Could just be people don't agree on who to meet with?


I can totally understand that. But what i don't understand is it taking this long. Something stinks here .


What stinks is the whole disgusting process. Both sides are more concerned about "winning" then they are about hockey, the fans and the people who need hockey to make a living. Very similar to our political system.
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Re: Lockout

Postby no name on Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:44 pm

Bioshock wrote:
Gaucho wrote:They still haven't decided?


Yep, the NHLPA is doing it's normal "Drag their feet" technique.


I am guessing Fehr is assembling his group of players to meet with the owners, educating them on what to do and how to do it with the owners. Fehr will show them how to look and act united in that room, so they all convey Fehrs message loud and clear. This is going to divid them even more, i fear. I don't see Fehr letting any player in that meeting only the ones he trust to do exactly what he says. once he feels his players are ready he will allow this meeting.
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Re: Lockout

Postby pens_CT on Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:26 pm

MRandall25 wrote:The players get to pick which owners they meet with, right?

So long as the selected owners get the same chance to pick the players they meet with.
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Re: Lockout

Postby WhoDaresWins on Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:05 pm

From twitter a few minutes ago ~

Aaron Ward ‏@aaronward_nhl
Source,Meeting involving NHL Owners and Players to take place Tuesday with 6 Owners and approximately same number of players. #TSN


John Shannon ‏@JSportsnet
Players Meet Owners Tuesday in NYC...6 from each side plus limited staff from both League and PA willl be allowed. Names TBA.
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Re: Lockout

Postby ulf on Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:09 pm

Dan Rosen ‏@drosennhl
NHL expects these owners to be in meeting: Ron Burkle, Mark Chipman, Murray Edwards, Jeremy Jacobs, Larry Tanenbaum and Jeff Vinik.
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Re: Lockout

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:20 pm

ulf wrote:Dan Rosen ‏@drosennhl
NHL expects these owners to be in meeting: Ron Burkle, Mark Chipman, Murray Edwards, Jeremy Jacobs, Larry Tanenbaum and Jeff Vinik.


Not to be Debbie Downer but I just don't get how this is really going to help. What are they going to do other try to show the players how wrong Fehr is.

Well, maybe that will work.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Gaucho on Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:37 pm

Interesting mix of owner: Pens, Jets, Flames, Bruins, Leafs, Lightning
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Re: Lockout

Postby SolidSnake on Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:59 pm

Which players? Doan? Crosby? or no Sid since Burkle is there
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Re: Lockout

Postby shmenguin on Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:59 pm

Gaucho wrote:Interesting mix of owner: Pens, Jets, Flames, Bruins, Leafs, Lightning


Nice mix of teams. Very, very diverse, financially. If these guys have a unified stance, the players are in big trouble.
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Re: Lockout

Postby eww7633 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:59 pm

Josh Rimer says Crosby wil be there.
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Re: Lockout

Postby opie22002 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:17 pm

eww7633 wrote:Josh Rimer says Crosby wil be there.


I figured there would be six chosen from this list of player reps (so maybe just 5 since Crosby is going to be there):

http://www.nhlpa.com/inside-nhlpa/organ ... tive-board
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Re: Lockout

Postby opie22002 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:24 pm

Here's the negotiating committee. This list might be the one to go by? From wikipedia

Craig Adams - Pittsburgh Penguins
Adrian Aucoin - Columbus Blue Jackets
Alex Auld - Ottawa Senators*
David Backes - St. Louis Blues
Marty Biron - New York Rangers
Brad Boyes - New York Islanders
Chris Campoli - Montreal Canadiens*
B. J. Crombeen - Tampa Bay Lightning
Mathieu Darche - Montreal Canadiens*
Rick DiPietro - New York Islanders
Shane Doan - Phoenix Coyotes
Brandon Dubinsky - Columbus Blue Jackets
Ruslan Fedotenko - Philadelphia Flyers
Alex Goligoski - Dallas Stars
Ron Hainsey - Winnipeg Jets
Scott Hartnell - Philadelphia Flyers
Jamie Langenbrunner - St. Louis Blues
Manny Malhotra - Vancouver Canucks
Steve Montador - Chicago Blackhawks
Dominic Moore - San Jose Sharks*
Brendan Morrison - Chicago Blackhawks*
Douglas Murray - San Jose Sharks
George Parros - Florida Panthers
Chris Phillips - Ottawa Senators
Cory Schneider - Vancouver Canucks
John Tavares - New York Islanders
Shea Weber - Nashville Predators
Kevin Westgarth - Los Angeles Kings
Dan Winnik - Anaheim Ducks
James Wisniewski - Columbus Blue Jackets
Henrik Zetterberg - Detroit Red Wings
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Re: Lockout

Postby opie22002 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:42 pm

Here's my predictions:

Craig Adams would be a solid choice since he was a Harvardite. But I don't know if the NHLPA would want 2 Penguins. So I'll go with:

Crosby, Backes, Doan, Parros, Langenbrunner, Biron
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Re: Lockout

Postby Steve on Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:14 pm

NHLPA will be sending Shawn Thornton, George Parros, Zdeno Chara, Brian McGrattan and Steve MacIntyre.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Bioshock on Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:23 pm

Steve wrote:NHLPA will be sending Shawn Thornton, George Parros, Zdeno Chara, Brian McGrattan and Steve MacIntyre.


So no Crosby?

Please tell me that's true because i really don't like the idea of Burkle being across the table from Crosby. That would not end well.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Steve on Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:37 pm

Bioshock wrote:
Steve wrote:NHLPA will be sending Shawn Thornton, George Parros, Zdeno Chara, Brian McGrattan and Steve MacIntyre.


So no Crosby?

Please tell me that's true because i really don't like the idea of Burkle being across the table from Crosby. That would not end well.


I was just kidding. I would imagine Sid would be one of them - but have they announced anyone yet?
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Re: Lockout

Postby kovyfalcon27 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:39 pm

Bioshock wrote:
Steve wrote:NHLPA will be sending Shawn Thornton, George Parros, Zdeno Chara, Brian McGrattan and Steve MacIntyre.


So no Crosby?

Please tell me that's true because i really don't like the idea of Burkle being across the table from Crosby. That would not end well.



Yea Crosby will probably get mad and not re-sign with the Pens!!!! Oh wait.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Bioshock on Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:40 pm

Steve wrote:
Bioshock wrote:
Steve wrote:NHLPA will be sending Shawn Thornton, George Parros, Zdeno Chara, Brian McGrattan and Steve MacIntyre.


So no Crosby?

Please tell me that's true because i really don't like the idea of Burkle being across the table from Crosby. That would not end well.


I was just kidding. I would imagine Sid would be one of them - but have they announced anyone yet?


Not yet to my knowledge. I just hope things are done well on the ownership end. If Burkle is actually ALLOWED to have a voice here, there could be progress. But i doubt that will happen. The Penguins have a moderate stance on the lockout and Burkle is a very skillful negotiator who understands compromise. Those qualities are something the NHL wants nothing to do with.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Bioshock on Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:42 pm

kovyfalcon27 wrote:
Bioshock wrote:
Steve wrote:NHLPA will be sending Shawn Thornton, George Parros, Zdeno Chara, Brian McGrattan and Steve MacIntyre.


So no Crosby?

Please tell me that's true because i really don't like the idea of Burkle being across the table from Crosby. That would not end well.



Yea Crosby will probably get mad and not re-sign with the Pens!!!! Oh wait.


No one ever said anything like that.... What are you talking about? I'm just not keen on two very important people in this city's hockey franchise being at odds with each other.
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Re: Lockout

Postby opie22002 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:57 pm

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Re: Lockout

Postby tfrizz on Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:24 pm

opie22002 wrote:Here's my predictions:

Craig Adams would be a solid choice since he was a Harvardite. But I don't know if the NHLPA would want 2 Penguins. So I'll go with:

Crosby, Backes, Doan, Parros, Langenbrunner, Biron


Parros (Psychology, Princeton) and Westgarth (Psychology, Princeton) both seem like they should be high on the list of attendees.
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Re: Lockout

Postby shmenguin on Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:36 pm

tfrizz wrote:
opie22002 wrote:Here's my predictions:

Craig Adams would be a solid choice since he was a Harvardite. But I don't know if the NHLPA would want 2 Penguins. So I'll go with:

Crosby, Backes, Doan, Parros, Langenbrunner, Biron


Parros (Psychology, Princeton) and Westgarth (Psychology, Princeton) both seem like they should be high on the list of attendees.


westgarth? fringe NHL player with a good SAT score. and the sage wisdom of a 28 year old.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Mr. Colby on Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:15 am

I'm not sure what all the fuss is about re: the owners-players meeting.

The players will still be operating under D. Fehr's agenda - so what if he's not there
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Re: Lockout

Postby no name on Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:18 am

Mr. Colby wrote:I'm not sure what all the fuss is about re: the owners-players meeting.

The players will still be operating under D. Fehr's agenda - so what if he's not there


Agreed, if the players going into the meeting are spewing Fehrs typical message its not going to be productive. On the other hand if the small group of owners talk Bettmans message the meeting will go no where. I would feel alot better if each team had a rep. there so all players can hear what the owners message was.

You got to remember these players hold no real weight. Sure some big names Thorton CHara Crosby, but in the end i don't think the owners can break that small group.

I can only see progress being made if the owners talk slowly with small words. Putting it into context that Fehr isn't explaining to the player. Fehr explains the big picture.... "Bilions of Dollars" the the owners explains per each players it a small percentage of ones salary... But these players would have to be ready to go to their union brothers and have them rise up and revolt. Not going to happen.
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