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0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby Penspal on Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:16 pm

Interesting and disapointing to see the start that WBS is off to. Everyone has an opinion, here's mine. I'll start it off by stating a few assumptions (hopefully I'm right, or its going to be a looooong season)

- Let's assume that the WBS Pen's goaltending is actually going to be okay. (currently both keepers have 25 AHL goalies ahead of them statistically :shock: )
- And while we are assuming, let's say the "NHL ready Defense" is going to be okay as well.

That puts the forwards in the spotlight. I was somewhat surprised and saddened to see some of last year's WBS forwards go, but that's life in the AHL.

A quick look at some former WBS forwards show their departures are missed. I think some departures were GM's decisions, making the GM's share some of the blame for the current 0-4 record.

1. Last year's leading WBS goal scorer Bryan Lerg has 4 pts (including 3 goals) -ouch
2. B. DeFazio & Ryan Craig both have 3 pts (2 goals, 1 assist) - double ouch as they boy have as many goals as WBS point leaders
3. Ben Street & Geoff Walker 3 pts (1 goal, 2 assists) - (shame on them for breaking up the Street-Walker line, shame I tell YOU!)

So that is 5 of last year's forwards outscoring all current WBS forwards. Its very early, but if things stay this way after the next 4 games, it may just be a hole too deep to climb out of.
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby mikey287 on Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:18 pm

Yeah, I mean, as I noted in that one game (just one though), our forwards don't have much skill. So, when you let go of some AHL level talents and some catalysts and you only replace it with mid-level prospects, you're going to have problems. They're just a bunch of workers mostly, it doesn't appear they have a go-to guy quite yet that can spark a big play, so that'll hurt them. Goaltending and defense will improve as the year goes on - goalie stats after 4 games or whatever is just not a realistic take on things...

But you make some good points certainly, that the guys we had down there were a big part of the success and the generation of offense. The guys that could get a spark going on are either young or non-existent. Beau Bennett is still figuring it out, Keven Veilleux is out for the year or whatever is wrong with him again, I'm guessing Megna is just scratched...so it's a work in progress...guys like Dupuis and Ferriero aren't overly skilled, but they're gonna be contributors. It just needs a little time to come together I think...they won't be particularly good, but once figure out their offensive gameplan a little better, they'll be passable...
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby columbia on Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:33 pm

Veilleux is hurt again?
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby mikey287 on Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:00 pm

columbia wrote:Veilleux is hurt again?


I think so, I don't know the extent though.
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby MRandall25 on Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:10 pm

Quick Google says it's the same knee injury he's been working his way back from since training camp last year.

http://golackawanna.com/stories/Veilleu ... pe=stories
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby Batman on Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:27 pm

For those watching, how does Dumoulin look so far?
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby Penspal on Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:54 pm

The boys down on the farm are now making some hay. 6 goals each for Tangradi and Thompson.... TnT, their dynomite!
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby SteelCityFan on Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:18 am

The boys are back on the winning track. Shootout win over Portland. Trevor Smith with 2 goals, Holzapfel with a goal for the second straight game. Benn Ferriero and The Big Dog with shootout goals to seal the deal.
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby Gaucho on Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:46 pm

Judging strictly from the number it seems that Bennett is settling in nicely. Tangradi meanwhile better pick it up.
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby Gaucho on Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:10 pm

Hattrick. Boom.
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:18 pm

He's been really streaky, from what we've seen so far... 5 goals in 5 games or whatever, then nothing, and now a hat trick.
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby Penspal on Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:12 pm

AHL goal leaders have 10 goals, Eric Tangradi has 9. BigdogE also leads the team in the minus catagory though... guess he's spending all his time in front of opponents net. Not the worst place to be. Considering how few points WBS players have, BigDogE might just keep the Cy Young stats 9-1
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby meecrofilm on Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:46 pm

With another win tonight, WBS finishes with a pretty sick November record. Sounds like Bennett and Dumo are settling in nicely, as well as Zatkoff doing some serious work.
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby mikey287 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:13 am

http://blogs.citizensvoice.com/penguins ... se-3-1130/

Video of Bennett going upstairs against Syracuse and coming back with some sauce a little later...getting better by the game. Holzapfel looking good too, could compete for a roster spot if he's still under contract when the NHL kicks off again...
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby largegarlic on Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:57 pm

That goal by Bennett was nice...a real sniper's goal to roof it shortside like that. I saw he's also leading the team in points after starting a little slowly. It would be fantastic to have a homegrown top-6 winger.

What's the deal with Zatkoff? Is he a legit prospect for at least a back-up job in the NHL or is he another Chiodo, Sabourin, Thiessen type (i.e. a career-AHLer who gets hot for a bit and makes us think the Pens have a legit goalie prospect in the pipeline before falling off the map)?
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby meecrofilm on Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:53 pm

I think he's got back-up potential, for sure. His and Vokoun's contracts run out at the same time too. He's been solid in the A for while, there just wasn't as much room on the Kings' depth chart than there is on the Pens' (if we even have one).
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby mikey287 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:16 pm

I believe Zatkoff could be an NHL backup this season and not look out of place. Whether he has starting ability, I'm not sure. The thing about goalies today - and if I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times - it's not so much the skill level of the goaltender but the consistency in which he can bring the best of his skill level to the forefront. Goaltending talent, on the whole, has evened out dramatically since the popularization of the butterfly in the mid-90's.

An NHL backup? Wouldn't surprise me.
A career AHLer? Wouldn't surprise me.
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby sil on Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:57 pm

The thing about Bennett that most impresses me so far is not his skill level, vision, or position...all of which have been as good as advertised (skill) or developed to the point where they should be for his level (vision, position)...it's his leg strength and ability to maintain the puck. He was drafted at somehting like 160 lbs, but now is a very solid 200+, and it shows how much of that's in his legs with how hard he is to move around in the corners and in the defensive zone. Put that kind of top-level skill together with a sturdy frame...some real nice potential right now for Beau.
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby Gaucho on Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:15 pm

Bennett looks really promising.
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby meecrofilm on Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:18 am

After a slow start he's got 21 in 23, good for 2nd among all rookies in the league, T-16th overall, and still 1st overall in WBS. Certainly exceeding expectations as far as point production goes, IMO.

Also, they could definitely use Zatkoff back as soon as possible.
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby Gaucho on Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:48 pm

I hate the AHL website.
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby Gaucho on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:41 am

The wheels. The're falling off. The Pens blew a 3-0 lead last night and lost 4-3 to Binghamton. 6th straight loss.
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby Penspal on Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:08 pm

Gaucho wrote:The wheels. The're falling off. The Pens blew a 3-0 lead last night and lost 4-3 to Binghamton. 6th straight loss.


Time to put the "snow tires" on.
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby meecrofilm on Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:32 pm

Oh no, we they suck again!
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Re: 0-4 start: departed vs. new forwards

Postby Gaucho on Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:15 pm

They seem to really be missing Bennett.
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