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Re: Lockout

Postby pens_CT on Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:00 am

Gaucho wrote:If this breaks down one more time they can officially cancel the season.

They want to be playing around January 1st if they intended to have ~50 game schedule. Back off 10 days for camp and you are at ~Dec 21st or so. Plenty of time to stop and restart.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Gaucho on Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:32 am

I guess I'm not sure what you mean by "break down" and "restart" then. It seems to me the ball is in play now and they are either going to run with it or drop it. Just my perception.
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Re: Lockout

Postby no name on Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:56 am

pens_CT wrote:
Gaucho wrote:If this breaks down one more time they can officially cancel the season.

They want to be playing around January 1st if they intended to have ~50 game schedule. Back off 10 days for camp and you are at ~Dec 21st or so. Plenty of time to stop and restart.


I can see it going back and forth for another day, but if they got the core stuff figured out, i would guess they are just figuring out minor issues that they just can't agree upon.

I get a feeling the Podium will be used at some point, in a positive way.
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Re: Lockout

Postby FallenHero96 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:26 am

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Re: Lockout

Postby Gaucho on Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:36 am

I wish there'd be a little less talk about how the Penguins single-handedly saved the season.
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Re: Lockout

Postby penny lane on Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:03 am

Gaucho wrote:I wish there'd be a little less talk about how the Penguins single-handedly saved the season.


especially since we don't have a season... yet! :wink: I wouldn't care who was the voice of the reason to get the sides closer. Sometimes it can be just a different voice.
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Re: Lockout

Postby tfrizz on Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:11 am

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nh ... vailed-cox

How close are they heading into a third day of bargaining? Well, according to a report by Sportsnet.ca writer Michael Grange, the league has raised the amount of “make whole” money it is will to throw in the pot to $300 million from $211 million, essentially meeting the players halfway as the two sides try to develop a formula that will transition both to a 50-50 split on revenue.

The six owners in the meeting agreed to accept the NHLPA’s position to keep rules on free agency and arbitration rights the same as they were in the old CBA. The league remained steadfast on a five-year contract limit with no more than a 5 per cent variance in any year, but did suggest a free agent re-signing with his old team could sign for as long as seven years.

Also, the owners want a 10-year collective bargaining agreement, according to the Sportsnet.ca report. The players want a much shorter term.

“There are critical open issues between the two parties,” said Daly after the meetings ended.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Steve on Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:12 am

NHL CBA and fiscal cliff - good times.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Gaucho on Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:13 am

penny lane wrote:
Gaucho wrote:I wish there'd be a little less talk about how the Penguins single-handedly saved the season.


especially since we don't have a season... yet! :wink: I wouldn't care who was the voice of the reason to get the sides closer. Sometimes it can be just a different voice.


Yes, exactly. Would we really care if it was the Jets' owner or the Flames' owner or even Jacobs who get things done as long as they are getting done? Outside of Pittsburgh, the perception of Burkle or Crosby is not going to change one iota. Except maybe that some people will hate Crosby even more, I guess.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Sam's Drunk Dog on Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:20 am

I find it interesting that some of the details from these latest negotiations are leaking out. I wonder if this is more PR from the league as the talks are stalling.
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Re: Lockout

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:26 am

Gaucho wrote:
penny lane wrote:
Gaucho wrote:I wish there'd be a little less talk about how the Penguins single-handedly saved the season.


especially since we don't have a season... yet! :wink: I wouldn't care who was the voice of the reason to get the sides closer. Sometimes it can be just a different voice.


Yes, exactly. Would we really care if it was the Jets' owner or the Flames' owner or even Jacobs who get things done as long as they are getting done? Outside of Pittsburgh, the perception of Burkle or Crosby is not going to change one iota. Except maybe that some people will hate Crosby even more, I guess.


Agreed, it was great that Burkle stepped in and got credit, same with crosby.

But now it's starting to seem forced. Who cares who else showed up now.

The accomplishments need to be made in those meetings
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Re: Lockout

Postby no name on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:00 am

I just got word the Podium is gon... no wait, its still there.

Podiumwatch#
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Re: Lockout

Postby tfrizz on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:03 am

Dave Stubbs ‏@Dave_Stubbs
CBA talks now feel like a skate across a lake in March, hoping w/ every stride that ice doesn't break beneath your blades #lockout
Retweeted by Greg Wyshynski


So true.
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Re: Lockout

Postby shmenguin on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:06 am

eh...i think they're all grown ups. the things that seems reactive and emotional have probably been calculated moves. i doubt it's a house of cards like it's being described as.
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Re: Lockout

Postby nocera on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:25 am

Dreger tweeted: @DarrenDreger: Owners-players only format has been terminated. PA insists the room is open for ongoing negotiations. Not surprised.


Fehr is back.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Godric on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:26 am

shmenguin wrote:eh...i think they're all grown ups. the things that seems reactive and emotional have probably been calculated moves. i doubt it's a house of cards like it's being described as.


No, I'm pretty sure its a house of cards.
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Re: Lockout

Postby FreeCandy44 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:30 am

nocera wrote:Dreger tweeted: @DarrenDreger: Owners-players only format has been terminated. PA insists the room is open for ongoing negotiations. Not surprised.


Fehr is back.

Were boned.....
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Re: Lockout

Postby joopen on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:30 am

nocera wrote:Dreger tweeted: @DarrenDreger: Owners-players only format has been terminated. PA insists the room is open for ongoing negotiations. Not surprised.


Fehr is back.


This will obviously go well :roll:
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Re: Lockout

Postby Godric on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:32 am

nocera wrote:Dreger tweeted: @DarrenDreger: Owners-players only format has been terminated. PA insists the room is open for ongoing negotiations. Not surprised.


Fehr is back.



PUT A FORK IN 'EM
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Re: Lockout

Postby no name on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:33 am

FreeCandy44 wrote:
nocera wrote:Dreger tweeted: @DarrenDreger: Owners-players only format has been terminated. PA insists the room is open for ongoing negotiations. Not surprised.


Fehr is back.

Were boned.....


Was fun while it lasted... oh well, maybe we'll have hockey next year.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Gaucho on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:36 am

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
I wouldn't try to predict how things go today but player mood last night was pretty dark. But it's emotional process. See what today brings.

Mood was dark? Oh...

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
PA doesn't like 5 yr term limits on contracts or 10 yr term of CBA or fact that Make Whole bump to $300M is tied to accepting 10 yr CBA.
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Re: Lockout

Postby MRandall25 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:39 am

Bettman is back, too...

Calm down.
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Re: Lockout

Postby llipgh2 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:39 am

It's negotiations. It's going to ebb and flow.
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Re: Lockout

Postby joopen on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:45 am

MRandall25 wrote:Bettman is back, too...

Calm down.


Lesser of the 2 evils.
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Re: Lockout

Postby nocera on Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:45 am

llipgh2 wrote:It's negotiations. It's going to ebb and flow.


We've been saying this since July. Too much ebb and flow.
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