Lockout

[FreeCandy44]

#podiumwatch?

[joopen]

Ok so the players want their contracts fulfilled. Owners say OK but we want long term labor peace. Players respond with LULZ

[MRandall25]

Ok so the players want their contracts fulfilled. Owners say OK but we want long term labor peace. Players respond with LULZ

It's not that. It's the fact they can't sign a deal for longer than 7 years during the entire CBA. Some players want the assurance that they'll be set contract-wise.

[FreeCandy44]

"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?"
John Lydon

[joopen]

Ok so the players want their contracts fulfilled. Owners say OK but we want long term labor peace. Players respond with LULZ

It's not that. It's the fact they can't sign a deal for longer than 7 years during the entire CBA. Some players want the assurance that they'll be set contract-wise.

So sign a new contract after 5 years?

The contracts are guaranteed. You want longer terms then let's talk about that

[Godric]

10 year CBA
$300M make whole
Unchanged UFA and arbitration rules
5% contract variance
5 year contract length (7 for own players)

and the players won't take it?

lulz they r retarded.

[Gaucho]

Guess you didn't read the fine print.

[llipgh2]

It's negotiations. It's going to ebb and flow.

We've been saying this since July. Too much ebb and flow.

No, it's been posturing by both sides since July. The first real negotiating started this week.

[Godric]

Guess you didn't read the fine print.

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[Godric]

It's negotiations. It's going to ebb and flow.

We've been saying this since July. Too much ebb and flow.

No, it's been posturing by both sides since July. The first real negotiating started this week.

I'd argue its been more posturing on the players side this week as well.

[Gaucho]

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
I can tell you there's a hugely negative vibe emanating from both sides right now. Keeping this process on rails today will be challenging.

[Godric]

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
I can tell you there's a hugely negative vibe emanating from both sides right now. Keeping this process on rails today will be challenging.

*rage*

[Gaucho]

Yes.

[penny lane]

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
I can tell you there's a hugely negative vibe emanating from both sides right now. Keeping this process on rails today will be challenging.

sending positive and love vibes now!

[MRandall25]

...instead of adopting a union proposal that would recapture a team's salary cap advantage if a player retired before his contract ran out. The league continued to insist on a five-year contract limit, while allowing teams to re-sign their own players for seven years.

So the way I read this, the owners are firm on the 5 year limit thing, but wouldn't take the players' offer of wiping out the cap hit for retiring players. Notice how it says NOTHING about how long the players want the contracts to be, just that they don't want a 5 year limit.

[Godric]

If they cancel this season, I'm going to laugh so hard when the players end up signing something worse than the current offer

[llipgh2]

Nick Cotsonika
No live tweeting today. The sides are meeting on a private floor, and the hotel is kicking the media out of the building.

Private floor, no media. Good. Get it done.

[Godric]

...instead of adopting a union proposal that would recapture a team's salary cap advantage if a player retired before his contract ran out. The league continued to insist on a five-year contract limit, while allowing teams to re-sign their own players for seven years.

So the way I read this, the owners are firm on the 5 year limit thing, but wouldn't take the players' offer of wiping out the cap hit for retiring players. Notice how it says NOTHING about how long the players want the contracts to be, just that they don't want a 5 year limit.

owners should be kicking themselves right now... so nice of the devils, hawks and wild to completely ruin hockey for everyone

[pens_srq]

Can the players not see that the cap can't have loopholes? There is no point to the cap if there are holes that allow people to circumvent it. I like the loyalty thing of resigning own free-agents to for 7 years. But I think it will / should end up more like: Max of 8 years on a contract with exception of 10 for own free agents.

The variance is not negotiable.

[Gaucho]

Blackjack and hookers?

[MRandall25]

Can the players not see that the cap can't have loopholes? There is no point to the cap if there are holes that allow people to circumvent it. I like the loyalty thing of resigning own free-agents to for 7 years. But I think it will / should end up more like: Max of 8 years on a contract with exception of 10 for own free agents.

The variance is not negotiable.

I don't think they're arguing the variance, but that's just my take.

[llipgh2]

Blackjack and hookers?

[pens_srq]

Maybe the negative vibe is that the players hate Bettman and Fehr's chemistry. Think they will **** **** up again.

[penny lane]

Spoiler:

It's been so long without hockey, i didn't recognize Flower!
from today's Southpointe practice.

[Gaucho]

He didn't age well.